Uprgraded Lenovo X220 to Samsung SSD and now booting slow

Hi Experts,
I posted similar question the other day and you quickly solved it, but this appears to be a different issue. This is a Lenovo X220 laptop, running Windows 7 Pro, which I recently upgraded to Samsung SSD. For some reason, slow when starting loading or starting Windows. I recently had this problem on another computer and it was due to disconnected network drives trying to load at start up. I have already disconnected network drives and they no longer appear to be trying to connect, so that doesn't seem to be the issue. I've disabled all start up apps in MSCONFIG. When testing different startup apps, I noticed it would sometimes hang for approximately 30 seconds on "Please Wait" screen before login, and other times it hangs for approx 30 seconds after logging into Windows. I did run diagnostic startup and it started up right away. Any help would be appreciated.
lskairAsked:
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
Two questions:
1) Have you tried to start with network disabled? Both WLAN and LAN?
2) Is this new installation or copy/migration from different drive?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Double check again for persistent or unused Network Drives with NET USE to list all drives.

Look in Advanced System Settings (right click on Computer, Properties) and click on User Profile settings. Delete any unused profiles (NOT admin profiles). Go to User Manager and delete any user names associated with profiles you deleted (NOT admin user names).

Delete temporary files with Disk Cleanup in admin tools.

SSD drives should be fast so look for operational problems above.

If you are concerned about the drive, run hardware tests from Lenovo on the drive.
John TsioumprisSoftware & Systems EngineerCommented:
There have been reports of laptops behaving strange after a hardware change due to the fact they were not in the "approved" list...if you have the old disk can you swap it to see if the laptop returns to normal....
Also is this a newly formatted system or did you migrated the existing to the SSD....
Lastly check the SSD to see if the performance after the boot has completed is acceptable
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lskairAuthor Commented:
I just disabled network adapters and no change. It's odd that sometimes it hangs before windows login and other times it hangs after. I noticed his behavior changes based on startup programs (specifically Intel) but even with all disabled it doesn't fix it. I'll check user profiles but I'm the only one built on this computer. Ran net use previously to confirm no network drives.
lskairAuthor Commented:
I ran test after migration and drive is good. The issue was happening on my other drive too so it seems like its application or startup issue.
lskairAuthor Commented:
One other thing to mention is that it's only slow on startup not when resuming from hibernation. My old hdd was slow when resuming hibernation or boot.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
only slow on startup not when resuming from hibernation.  

Try disabling Hibernation and use Suspend instead. I suspend my X230 and that works fine. I have hybrid suspend (which semi-hibernates after 3 hours). The latter is always longer to start.

Try Suspend instead of hibernate AND try a boot sequence with NO suspend or hibernate. What happens?

Does your OS have references to a hard drive now not in the system?

Also, did you do a completely fresh install of Windows?
lskairAuthor Commented:
I used Samsung data migration utility which came with the SSD to copy from old to new drive. After migration I ran Samsung magician software to optimize and it seemed slower after that but I can't confirm for sure. I don't see any references from OS to old hard drive. Where would I look? I'll try changing settings for hibernation as you suggested and let you know.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Do you mean that Samsung cloned the old drive and put it on the new drive?  That would bring along old problems.

I suggest you back up the system and do a completely (Samsung-free) install of Windows 7. Also make sure Lenovo support the Samsung drive.

Based on what you said, there should not be any references to a hard drive, but there may be problems that came along with the cloning (since you said the old install was slow).

SSD drives are a faster drive. They do not fix problems, and a good install on a good hard drive is also very fast.

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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
So, you had similar problems with old drive, right? And after cloning the same slow startup can be noticed on SSD as well, right?
If the answers are yes - then the problem is software based. The fastest solution of course would be reinstalling everything from scratch as noticed above. The slow solution is to find out which software is starting with Windows.
lskairAuthor Commented:
Under user profiles advanced it has Default profile and my profile. Why is there default and can I delete it?
noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
No. You cannot. It is a default Windows profile and should not be deleted.
lskairAuthor Commented:
I didn't change anything with profile but I found the problem. I had wwan on this laptop with internal Gobi card and it kept trying to activate the old sim for some reason. The sim is no longer in use but since migration it wanted to use wwan again. I had only disabled LAN and wifi adapters previously when I tested. Completely forgot about the internal wwan device. Thanks for all the help. I'll split points for all the help I received.
noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
Thank you for feedback.
joinaunionCommented:
What's the model number of the new Samsung ssd?
lskairAuthor Commented:
It's a Samsung 850 EVO 500 GB Model MZ-75E500B/AM
Its still not performing like I would like it to, and so I'm gonna probably just do a clean OS install. The Lenovo Recovery Partition will not work so I am planning to just do clean install from Windows Media.
joinaunionCommented:
How much memory do you have installed?

If you have the Magician software installed still check for firmware update.

Also enable RAPID Mode.
lskairAuthor Commented:
16 GB ram. Should be flying but it's not. It's still running slower than I anticipated, especially on restarts and logging into windows. I know Lenovo has recovery partition but it's not working from ssd. I want to do clean install but I have heard Lenovo recommends using their media. Should I pop in old hdd and try to create Lenovo recovery media?
lskairAuthor Commented:
Magician software says fw is up to date. I have tried rapid mode enabled and disabled.
joinaunionCommented:
Can you confirm the 16 gigs is actually seen. Click start then  computer right click then properties.

The performance you are expecting  I assume is based on the specs of the drive.

The Samsung is 6gb/s where as your laptop supports Sata 3.0 gb/s. So your new drive is downgrading in order for it to work on your system. This may be the sluggishness your seeing.
lskairAuthor Commented:
So this drive will not improve performance even with clean OS install?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I should any reasonable SSD drive will be fast. What you describe is not indicative of SSD drives. Yes, I think a proper install will fix things up
lskairAuthor Commented:
Ok. I'm gonna try clean install. Will report back.
joinaunionCommented:
The drive will be fast but you will not get expected speeds by doing a reinstall.

Your laptop supports 3.0 sata transfer rate of 3gb/s.

Your new drive is 6gb/s transfer rate.

Because your laptop only supports 3.0 the new drive downgrades to 3.0. So you will not see any improvement by a reinstall.
You may think it's faster with a new install because you have no installed programs yet.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You need to read the whole post. The drive was cloned from a system known to be slow. I still use very fast hard drives and this is the very first thread in EE telling me SSD drives are slow.
noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
:) clean install is always good.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Yes!
joinaunionCommented:
Despite all that, the transfer rate will never change.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
The transfer rate is fast enough for the system to be fast
nobusCommented:
i would do a fresh install on another SSD - or on the same, just to be sure there are no other hardware problems

before cloning the old drive, i would repair the problems; if this is  not possible, backup and install fresh
joinaunionCommented:
Hows it going?
lskairAuthor Commented:
All good. Clean OS install was the solution. It's now less than 20 seconds to startup and load Windows. Many thanks!
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
@lskair  - You are very welcome, and thanks for the update.
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