using file history to restore Windows 8.1

Dear all,

right now think about is if I should change my RAID 0 C:\ and D:\ to RAID 10 to prepare for any hardware failure of my PC which is running Windows 8.1.

I knew there are serveral method to repair Windows 8.1 and I have experience on doing refresh installation ! but those can't help me if the whole volume disappear because one of my SSD in the RAID 0 volume die, any other option can save me and let me restore to the latest status of my Windows 8.1 ?

can file history help on this? assuming I didn't do system image for a long long time !

if system image + file history can save my ass in this hardware failure situtation, then I can try it and let my RAID 0 c:\ and d:\ there to increase performance.

is the restore of Windows 8.1 using system image + file history is simply enough to protect me from hard ware/RAID disk failure ?

if not then I will using my TI 2015 to do the disk backup and I will rebuild the RAID to RAID 1.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I have not seen any file history that goes with the system image to restore Windows 8. What file history are you thinking about?

if not then I will .... do the disk backup and I will rebuild the RAID to RAID 1.  <-- I think this is your safest approach.
JustInCaseCommented:
If your disk in RAID 0 died, the only way to be able to see data that are not backed up is to repair failed disk. In RAID 0 every file is written on both disks and if one disk has failure there is no recovery. Even windows restore and volume shadow copy are written on both disks - so there is no hope there.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
John Hurst,

yeah, I already backup using True image 2015 for all partition, that tools seems fastest !

file history in Windows 8.1 I am talking about (it is the Microsoft own version of Apple's time machine) is:

Windows 8.1 files history.

Predrag Jovic,

"Even windows restore and volume shadow copy are written on both disks - so there is no hope there. "

so no hope there if one member of the RAID 0 is die in this situation and no system image or other build in Windows 8.1 feature can save the ass ?
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JustInCaseCommented:
No hope, every manual with tell you if data on disks are important don't use RAID 0 without good backup strategy (even then don't use RAID 0). Nothing implemented in windows 8 (or any other OS) can't protect you from failure of one disk in RAID 0.
RAID 0 on wiki
Since RAID 0 provides no fault tolerance or redundancy, the failure of one drive will cause the entire array to fail; as a result of having data striped across all disks, the failure will result in total data loss.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
ok, this mean I have to convert it to RAID 1 anyway!
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
File history is just data storage. You can back it up any convenient way.

You really want to back up and reimage on new RAID to do what you want.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
but what file history for then ?
JustInCaseCommented:
File History can help only if it is located on some external or other drive, if it is on local HDD with RAID 0 it is useless. (that goes to case - backup strategy - files need to be saved elsewhere, not on RAID 0 drives)
Repair & recovery windows 8

For manual restore file after OS reinstall.
You need to
<selected drive>\File History\<user-name>\<computer-name>\Data\C\Users
and manually copy and paste files.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"File History can help only if it is located on some external or other drive, if it is on local HDD with RAID 0 it is useless."

my file history store on an external HDD, nice!

"You need to
<selected drive>\File History\<user-name>\<computer-name>\Data\C\Users
and manually copy and paste files."

you mean this is for restore using file history ?


http://www.dummies.com/how-to/content/how-to-restore-files-with-file-history-in-windows-.html
http://windows.microsoft.com/en-HK/windows-8/how-use-file-history
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
yeah, that one only solve file version issue ! not related to any system files!

then it means I can only convert my RAID 0 to RAID 1
nobusCommented:
you cannot convert raid 0 to raid 1
afaik - you have to rebuild it from scratch - so better have a couple good backups (eg file and image backup)
JustInCaseCommented:
Yes. But you will need to clone you system to preserve current state of OS.
I guess that if your external device is Maxor or Seagate you can use  Seagate disk wizard  and if you have WD you can use ATIWD for cloning (free version of Acrnois for Seagate or WD users). In any case you can use windows integrated tools for backup and recovery.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
nobus,

sorry the "convert" is not good here, I will delete the volume and create a new one!

Predrag Jovic,

already use True image to back all disk up !

"if you have WD you can use ATIWD for cloning (free version of Acrnois for Seagate or WD users). "

the free version has a lot of thing can't do ! dissimiliar hardware is one of them !  which is my current situtation and that's why I bu the TI 2015.

after I change it to RAID 1 the size will be halfed, and it classified this as dis similar hardware.

Clone is not going to work as clone focus only on HDD having the same size.
JustInCaseCommented:
No.
Acronis True image (even free versions) can clone HDD if amount of data is smaller that HDD size (that option is available too).  You  can even choose partition sizes etc....
:)
If you need to clone to different machine you can alvays use sysprep of machine that you want to clone before cloning, after that create image and copy it to another machine....

There's more than one way to skin a cat.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"No.
Acronis True image (even free versions) can clone HDD if amount of data is smaller that HDD size (that option is available too).  You  can even choose partition sizes etc....
:) "

already consult that with TI support, I can't do it in this way using WD edition.

system image is ok but that one is slow and system state has to be the same before and after the clone, e.g clone to diff machine is ok but not the same machine with windows update just deployed and restarted.
JustInCaseCommented:
Already consult that with TI support, I can't do it in this way using WD edition.
I suppose that support person gave you false information.
WD manual - page 90.
Selecting clone mode
There are two transfer modes available:

- Automatic
(recommended in most cases). In automatic mode, you will only have to take several
simple actions to transfer all the data, including partitions, files and folders, to a newer disk,
making it bootable if the original disk was bootable.
- Manual
Manual mode will provide more data transfer flexibility. Manual mode can be useful if
you need to change the disk partition layout.

My memory maybe is not good - but I think I used that option many times so far on either with Seagate or WD version.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
I am asking them at this moment and only disk and partition backup can do the work for me.

tks
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
one thing, if WD edition works in the RAID case, then no one will buy full vesrion.
JustInCaseCommented:
If it is in RAID then no, that's why I said if external drive is Seagate or WD.
Or, you can attach WD or seagate drive to system (just to recognize that there is WD or Seagate drive) you don't have to perform operations on that drive.
JustInCaseCommented:
I have in my house one Computer with  RAID 1 of seagate drives and I must attach another seagate drive so I can use Disk wizard (at least just to start disk wizard), after software is started you can remove drive if you want it will still work.

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marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
good !

I am chekcing with them on the step on what if I change a new RAID card !
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
gentlamen, let night use TI 2015 t recovery disk and partition, I can tell you that if your PC has more than one volume, it is a terrible experience !

I have 3 x volumn, c:\ D:\ and E:\, and if I only recover C: and D:\, once reboot, E:\ will gone but it show in the disk manager in Windows 8.1, it don't even allow you to import the volumn, it just allow you to convert it to dynamic volume or GPR disk.

but if I boot it using WinPE disk made by TI 2015, it can see it again and al content still there !

any reason you can see ?

when I recovery the volume, I select recover thee disk signature too ! will it be the cause and I have to deselect it ?
JustInCaseCommented:
when I recovery the volume, I select recover thee disk signature too !
I have never use recover disk signature.
it just allow you to convert it to dynamic volume or GPR disk.
Disk manager often tries to convert to dynamic ... :)

I don't understand for E, what's going on?
You did not recover it and system is not showing it (does it has letter assigned)?

Can you give snapshot?

If you have hidden partitions, remember, max number of primary partitions on MBR disk is 4 if you need to have more than 4 primary partitions disk needs to be converted to GPT (the same is with 3 primary and 1 logical drive and you want to add another partition).
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"I have never use recover disk signature. "

ok then you mean If I don't do this everything will be fine ?

"Disk manager often tries to convert to dynamic ... :)"

I cna't see the point !

my E:\ just didn't get deleted and it contain a lot of setting of mine, so I need it but once recover c:\ and d:\ backup, this volume show up in disk manager but it don't show the content at all

"If you have hidden partitions, remember, max number of primary partitions on MBR disk is 4 if you need to have more than 4 primary partitions disk needs to be converted to GPT (the same is with 3 primary and 1 logical drive and you want to add another partition)."

I don't have c:\, D:\ e:\ and f:\ (we can ignore it in here as it is just the disk to backup using TI)

so I don't think MBR and GPT does any matter here, rihgt?

sorry no screenshot here as that one is in WinPE environment, I don't think I can screenshot something out !
JustInCaseCommented:
Windows 8  create, by default, at least 2 hidden partitions without assigning letters (recovery & EFI partitions) and yours C & D and that should be 4 partitions, then disk should be GPT disk to be able to add another partition.

If there is no other partitions than C & D it would be the same if it is MBR or GPT in the case where size of disk is < 2TB. If disk size > 2Tb you need GPT (MBR disk size limit is 2TB).
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
then how about my E:\, I want data inside, what should I do ? just select convert it to GPT ? I see nothing happen after I do this?

no need to reboot, right?

yeah, E:\ is 3TB in size !
JustInCaseCommented:
There are tools that can convert MBR to GPT without losing data (or moving it). Partition wizard is one of those (home edition is free for home users).
Convert Disk Partition Table Free
Free to convert disk type between MBR and GPT without data loss to support 3TB hard disk.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
I am sorry that disk manager can do that too but what I mean is only that E:\ has problem on access once recovery is done, and my F:\, the external, is accessiable after recovery and that F:\ is the one TI backup my disk and partition TO.  

yeah, that F:\ is the one which store my TI backup file and WinPE will read that disk to load the TI backup file !

it is lucky that I backup C: D:\ and E:\ as well, so what should I do before I restore ALL volume ? this should be 100% working well !

next time I restore it, I will not select recovery disk signature as well !
JustInCaseCommented:
Disk manager can do that too, but it will convert disk to dynamic along the way, as much as I know (I usually don't like it :) ).
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
NONO, this is not the keypoint, as I have converted the disk to GPT too but it still not accessible, then what else I should do before restoring all drive, C:\ , D:\ and E:\, I just recover C:\ and d:\, I am not sure if it does matter if I don't recover E:\ TOO !

all drive must be restore at the same recovery process?
JustInCaseCommented:
No, they don't.
You can restore just E drive from backup if you want.
(if there are some hidden partitions, in most cases you need to restore them too for windows to be bootable)
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"You can restore just E drive from backup if you want."

this is the last try !

so there are no way to get the E:\ return after recovery in my case?

just can't see why f:\ is ok as it is just a backup volume !
JustInCaseCommented:
If you have it in backup you can surely restore it from backup!

I don't know all details that you have. I don't see what you see on the screen. :)
F is OK since F is not changed in any moment.... and it is separate HDD, so don't take into account.
Find way to paste picture of relevant screens if you can .. it is much easier to work when I know details.
marrowyungSenior Technical architecture (Data)Author Commented:
"If you have it in backup you can surely restore it from backup!"

hey man, last night I do the restore of e: \and this is the recommendation from Acronis! they don't know why ! they never see this before!

but once the PC reboot, however, this time all Windows 8.1 apps gone with a malfunction icon in the same position ! can't see why restore all partition but not all at the same time got problem !

they said we need to restore disk signature ! this is important for apps that install/store in C:\ or some configuration will be lost!

I will ask them again on the problem of Windows 8.1 once E:\ was restored ! and see what they said !

I think the final solution is, restore c:\ and D;\ and E:\ all at the same recover process before boot back to the recovered Windows 8.1
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