Since XP support ended: is it still possible to download updates up to the support end date?

Hi all,

Since XP support ended: is it still possible to download updates up to the support end date?

Ik need XP for an old application. I can manually download SP3, but will all updates after SP3 also be available for download and install through windowsupdate.microsoft.com.

With an existing machine (which can be a coincidence) I get the event ID 16 error, see attachment.

Thank you,
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AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAsked:
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Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
Current patches for XP will be available, however, no new updates will be make available to the public.

https://askleo.com/will-existing-updates-still-be-available-after-windows-xp-support-ends/

Corporations have another route.

Take a look here.

http://www.ghacks.net/2014/05/24/get-security-updates-windows-xp-april-2019/
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Updates no longer function on my XP virtual machines. The update "runs" but produces nothing. If the machine was not up to date when updates ceased it is too late. All you can do is the Service Packs (still available).

Time to move on anyway.
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
Wow.  I did a test install a couple of days after support ended and was able to update.  MS must have shut it down soon after that.
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AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
Hi,

it's not that simple (move on). My software requires XP, upgrading is not an option, the company no longer exists and the hardware which depends on that software is about 40000 dollar. I am trying to get that XP machine running in Hyper V (which it does), but then the USB keyboard and mouse do not work, even not when installing the integration services. I thought that this might have something to do with my XP not being up to date.
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
Now this article says that MS has no immediate plans to stop allowing XP to update to April 2105 and still has updates for Windows 98.

http://www.zdnet.com/article/xp-sp3-download-it-while-you-still-can/
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I updated ALL XP machines when support ended and now they are all gone. You cannot update.

Try VMware Workstation. You can install XP in there and at least add the Service Packs and it WILL work. I have it running.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Set up a machine and try updating. Maybe it will work. I know Windows 98 updates stopped at a point in time. I have a Windows 98 machine as well.
AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
Is VMWARE workstation free?
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
No. You can download a 30 day trail but the cost is around $150.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
VMware Workstation is WORTH the cost however.
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
John is !00% correct.  I'll be the best $150 you spent.
arnoldCommented:
If you had a WSus server, it would maintain the updates it downloaded for XP..

I do not believe VMware desktop is free, VMware server is the only one they offer.

The USB keyboard/mouse are seen as new hardware and take a bit of effort to get XP to recognize them meaning two reboots might be needed. if you access the system from the hyper-v host does it react to the mouse/keyboard? Interaction?

If you have previously setup the XP as remotely administrator, try using RDP to connect to the VM and do what you need to get the mouse/keyboard recognized......
AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
I have no VMware experience, is it easy to setup? No special requirements?
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
Pretty easy.  You'll fumble around for a bit, but it's easy to pick up on.  2 years ago I had no experience and within a couple of days I had a working lab.

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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Download the trial and install it.

Once installed, File, New Virtual Machine. Choose Custom, Choose Workstation 11, Install Operating System later, Windows Guest, Choose XP, accept the location settings. One CPU, Start with 512MB of memory. Bridged Networking. SCSI Bus logic, IDE, New Virtual Disk, Select 50GB or more for disk size. Use one file (but do not preallocate space)

Then put the XP CD in the drive, start the machine and let it install XP. Go from there.

Do this and get it to work before you pay for licensing.
AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
I don't want a fresh install, I have a working machine with software that cannot be reinstallerd. The software and license are gone and the company no longer exists. I need to make a clone / VHD file or some copy of the existing situation. Can it be done with VMware?
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You can download and run VMware Converter Standalone to make a virtual machine from a physical machine.

However this won't solve any problems (except a hardware problem) if XP is not working correctly.
AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
If it makes the mouse and keyboard work, which do not work in Hyper V, then this will do the job...
Fred MarshallPrincipalCommented:
Just to be sure there's no confusion re: XP updates:

The *creation* of updates stopped for the public.
The *availability* of the then-existing updates remains.

So, if you have a computer that doesn't have all the updates then you can get them.
But, if you have a computer that already has all those updates then there are no more coming and no more to get.

QUIZ:
If a computer is *today* brought up-to-date as of April 2014, it can be said that "it has been updated".  But, can it be said that the computer is now up to date?
arnoldCommented:
When in hyper-V do you get a message that new hardware was detected? Double check that your VM configuration passes the keyboard/mouse from the host to the VM.  It might be that the USB of the host is not being passed to the VM and that is where your issue is dealing with lack of keyboard/mouse .....
have you tried the mstsc /v:ipofVM (the system had to have been previously configured for remote access, even if not, you could enable it using wmic remote administration activation.

Search for any enable remote administration using wmic

wmic /node:server_name rdtoggle WHERE server_name="server_name" CALL SetAllowTSConnections 1
once this is set, you will be able to remote into the server_name with your local keyboard/mouse functioning.
Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Windows Update still works just fine for XP.

HOWEVER ... it requires that the system have SP3 (which you can download and install independently) and that IE is updated to v8 (also independently available).

So ... if your IE versions is earlier than v8, install that; and if you don't yet have SP3, install it.    Then updates will work just fine.

I have also seen a few systems that required manually installing the Windows Update Agent after making the above changes.
Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
If you need the latest Windows Update Agent for XP:    http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=100334

... or SP3:  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=24
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
Which is what I said from the beginning.  Thank you Gary.
LeeTutorretiredCommented:
I've requested that this question be deleted for the following reason:

Not enough information to confirm an answer.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
@ElisysAutomatisering - We gave you lots of ideas for moving forward. Why abandon your question.
Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Agree that this question was in fact answered.

The two specific questions were:   "...  Since XP support ended: is it still possible to download updates up to the support end date? "

and

"... will all updates after SP3 also be available for download and install through windowsupdate.microsoft.com."

As I noted earlier, the answer is YES ... the system must first be upgraded to SP3; then IE must be upgraded to v8; and you may possibly need to manually install the Windows Update Agent.    After that updates will work just fine.

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AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
Good evening, it is not abandoned, it is pending, still have not had the time to test all of it. I will do this tomorrow if the question is still online then.
AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
Please hold on while I test
Fred MarshallPrincipalCommented:
And here I thought that I'd answered it.  Maybe I'm too verbose?
Scott CSenior EngineerCommented:
We all did contribute to the answer.
AgrippaSenior IT ConsultantAuthor Commented:
Updating is possible allthough it did not bring the solution in Hyper-V. I am going to test Vmware. Thank you all.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Thanks for following up.
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