UEFI windows 7 installating and reading data

Hi, I've been neglecting my push into the UEFI world now and it's really beginning to hinder my work.  So I have a slew of questions to move forward.

Is it always preferred to install windows 7 in with UEFI?  
How old can the computer date back until we have problems with hard drive or motherboard compatibility?  
I'm trying my first install on a Lenovo Z580.  Can Windows 7 UEFI install be done?
I always use boot in legacy CD mode to recover data that contained cloning software to backup if the drive didn't boot?  
Can I still do that with UEFI setup?  
What is the best boot CD for the data recovery?
Do I need a external CD/DVD that is UEFI compatible?
I looked under BIOS and it had options for UEFI but Windows Boot Options under Advance Mode lacked firmware advance settings.  WHat does that mean?

References:

UEFI Installation of Windows
What you need to know about UEFI
Installing Windows on a UEFI based computer
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kiwistagCommented:
From memory a Windows 7 (x64) UEFI install can be done, however you'll still be limited to a MBR partition.
Best option is to choose UEFI with Legacy support in the - well I'd say BIOS settings.

I'm not sure about the Firmware Advance settings at this stage unfortunately.

Maybe do a compatible Windows 7 install, use the info from below and do a finalised install of Windows 10.
http://imgur.com/gallery/qCWHwCd
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snoopaloopAuthor Commented:
UEFI boot is enabled in BIOS by default.  I wanted to try F12 legacy option like Dell offers but the option wasn't there.   I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do.
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David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
How old can the computer date back until we have problems with hard drive or motherboard compatibility?  
It depends on many factors, I have 15 year old machines that run well, and I've had machines die within 3 years.  Same goes with hard drives.. Some have to be replaced within the warranty and later on die and I've had drives also in the 15 year range.

I'm trying my first install on a Lenovo Z580.  Can Windows 7 UEFI install be done?
I always use boot in legacy CD mode to recover data that contained cloning software to backup if the drive didn't boot?  Can I still do that with UEFI setup?  


If you use a UEFI boot then you must install to a GPT disk, MBR boot to a MBR disk. Some software balks on GPT disks (Spinrite) but most cloning software doesn't care about the DATA on the disk..

What is the best boot CD for the data recovery?

Your backup tools recovery CD/DVD

Do I need a external CD/DVD that is UEFI compatible? No such animal.. All disks use a standard recording format.
I looked under BIOS and it had options for UEFI but Windows Boot Options under Advance Mode lacked firmware advance settings.  WHat does that mean? Refer to your user manual
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nobusCommented:
you can use a rescue CD for copying the data; i use paragon's a lot :  http://www.paragon-software.com/home/rk-express/      

but if you like, the AVG rescue cd is also ok
both can be run from a stick too

in most cases - disabling secure boot in UEFI soves many problems
http://itsfoss.com/disable-uefi-secure-boot-in-windows-8/

as for compatibility  - after 4-5 years there is not much left over to be compatible, all has changed too much imo
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
Is it always preferred to install windows 7 in with UEFI?  
No. UEFI is chosen usually if the drive you are installing your Windows to is bigger than 2TB or you want to have more than 4 primary partitions. Otherwise there is no reason to use UEFI.

How old can the computer date back until we have problems with hard drive or motherboard compatibility?

You can never predict the problems with new or aging PC. It depends on the environment in which is used (humidity, dust etc) and how intensive it is used.

I'm trying my first install on a Lenovo Z580.  Can Windows 7 UEFI install be done?
Yes, it is set by default there.

I always use boot in legacy CD mode to recover data that contained cloning software to backup if the drive didn't boot?  
You need to disable secure boot if such one is available in BIOS and since then you do not need to switch to Legacy Boot. If the software you are using does not support GPT drives then it could hardly help you even if you set the settings in BIOS to Legacy mode.

Can I still do that with UEFI setup?  
Check previous answer.

What is the best boot CD for the data recovery?
The best one is the one you would never need. But when it to worst comes then the best one should be a Backup Recovery CD for the Backup Software you use daily or weekly to backup your data. Otherwise you would need to slave this drive to another machine and run on it GetDataBack tool from www.runtime.org

Do I need a external CD/DVD that is UEFI compatible?
No. as long as you do not have Secure Boot enabled - the internal DVD device is ok.

I looked under BIOS and it had options for UEFI but Windows Boot Options under Advance Mode lacked firmware advance settings.  WHat does that mean?
It depends on BIOS and on the limitations set by the vendor of your PC. Look the BIOS manual through.
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snoopaloopAuthor Commented:
Sounds like I need read up on GPT drives. However, I got the flu so I'm just going to bang out this laptop and inquiry further about UEFI w my own Dell latitude in a couple days.  
Anyway, I ended flashing the BIOS to get the atapi boot to work.  I re-enabled UEFI boot just to see how far I can get w windows 7 setup.  
I attached the screen shots for setup.  I don't normally receive them but they were present during this install.  
Regarding the partition snapshot... Do I maintain any partition or just delete them all?   Reason I ask is I originally posted a 7 installation video where they retained one particular partition and deleted the rest.
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
If you do not need these partitions then delete them all. The installation will create the new partitions automatically.
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David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
Lenovo and Lenovo Part are your OEM restore partitons
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snoopaloopAuthor Commented:
Yeah, don't those recovery partition become useless after I delete the other partitions?  Regardless, I deleted everything and read up on GPT while waiting for updates to complete.  Apparently, I missed my opportunity to install GPT
How do I know what machines have GPT installed?   Is it safe to assume most comuputers have GPT installed in recent years?  I guess the computers using GPT cause my legacy boot CD that contains drive image XML to take a crap.  It only works on older computers
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nobusCommented:
before deleting all partitons -best make an image of the drive -  to fall back on, if anything goes wrong
i always leave the restore partition intact -  it stays useful
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noxchoGlobal Support CoordinatorCommented:
How do I know what machines have GPT installed?   Is it safe to assume most comuputers have GPT installed in recent years?
If the UEFI boot is enabled in BIOS and you are installing the Windows 7 64bit (32bit will not go to GPT drive) to empty HDD (not partitioned) then it will make automatically GPT drive with partitions.
To check if your drive now is a GPT drive right click on C: - Properties - Hardware - select again Properties - then Volume - populate. It will show what type of HDD is used.

As for Backup of the drive. You can use Paragon Backup & Recovery 15 Free tool to take backup of your HDD. It does work with both GPT and MBR drives.
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snoopaloopAuthor Commented:
ok, sorry guys.  I'm trying to find a moment to apply this new found knowledge.  Hold please...
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nobusCommented:
disk manager will show if it is GPT or MBR
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snoopaloopAuthor Commented:
Awesome answers.  I will try to work on my laptop when I get a moment.
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snoopaloopAuthor Commented:
Proceeded with windows installation after using the instructions in the bottom section of this extreme digression and windows prompts me to select driver to be installed but I have no idea what driver it wants.  I ended up switching USB ports because I heard there was USB 3 compatibility issue and it worked.   Anyway, this site was a huge was a huge resource for me.

***GPT Verification didn't work  - To check if your drive now is a GPT drive right click on C: - Properties - Hardware - select again Properties - then Volume - populate. It will show what type of HDD is used. ****  Also, I couldn't switch on secure boot after installing windows 7 w legacy CD ROM and booting with GPT.

To change a GUID partition table disk into a master boot record disk using command line:

    Back up or move all volumes on the basic GUID partition table (GPT) disk you want to convert into a master boot record (MBR) disk.
    Open an elevated command prompt and type diskpart. If the disk does not contain any partitions or volumes, skip to step 6.
    At the DISKPART prompt, type list disk. Make note of the disk number you want to delete.
    At the DISKPART prompt, type select disk <disknumber>. (select disk 1 or select disk 2 ETC.)
    At the DISKPART prompt, type clean (Running the clean command will delete all partitions or volumes on the disk.)
    At the DISKPART prompt, type convert mbr. (if you want a GPT format and you're on MBR just type Convert GPT.)

Then you can install Windows 7.
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