Windows 10 - Tighter Microsoft Control

I do not refer to Windows 10 positively and I will be very reluctant to install my "Free" copy.
Three reasons: (1) What was once optional is now mandatory - Microsoft is insisting that it monitors your very use of the OS and that can only be changed through modifying its registry; (2) It is mandatory that you connect to a Microsoft Account to use the OS; (3) I want to wait until the last possible moment to install this - let's see what happens in the next 6 months.

It is for these 3 reasons I am reluctant. I do not want Microsoft spying on me and controlling more of my life. I am scared. Your comments are appreciated.
Thanks. GadgetDude
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dbruntonQuid, Me Anxius Sum?  Illegitimi non carborundum.Commented:
>>   (2) It is mandatory that you connect to a Microsoft Account to use the OS;

You can use a Local Account.

>>  (3) I want to wait until the last possible moment to install this - let's see what happens in the next 6 months.

Qlemo"Batchelor", Developer and EE Topic AdvisorCommented:
(1) MS is not spying if you prohibit it from doing so. You do not need to permit transferring usage data to MS at all. It is work to switch off everything, because you need to go to some different places in the OS, but it isn't difficult.

(2) You do not need a Microsoft Account to use the OS. You need one to use the Store, the same way you need a Google account on Android etc.

But: If you have W7, there is no reason to upgrade. If you buy a new device, you might have no choice. in 10 years, you probably have no choice.

Having said that, it is unclear what your question is?
Joe Winograd, Fellow&MVEDeveloperCommented:
Here's an EE article discussing another reason why you may be reluctant:

Windows 10 uses YOUR computer to help distribute itself

Some folks don't mind this, others are really opposed to it. Just an FYI to aid in your decision making, in case you're not aware of the issue. Regards, Joe
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As already mentioned, you can disable most of the spying and talkback features. For example after installation, when you start the first time, you can turn off most of those things.

The same applies to the m$ account, as was mentioned, you don't need it. You can also disable the crapps and unpin them.
GadgetDudeAuthor Commented:
I am very overwhelmed yet extremely grateful for the incredible responses from you, my fellow members.
I sheepishly admit that I am nowhere near the technical know-how and understanding needed. So I will study all the information you give me. I must learn how to disable or shut down an entire plethora of items when I install. I am a private person and would like to keep it that way (wishful thinking?).
I am reasonably certain of one thing: I believe that when the offer to install the "free" upgrade arrives I am given 2 choices: (A) install immediately to my PC; or (B) create an installation CD so I can install later (either to my laptop or my wife's). I choose B. And perhaps I will install in April-June 2016.
To Joe Winograd and to all my fellow members: words can never adequately express the tremendous respect, admiration and gratitude I feel for each of you.
I am thankful. Hopefully I will receive further "know-how" on limiting this OS from controlling my laptop.
Blessings!  GadgetDude

P.S. On a Personal Note: Baseball season is "FUN" at my home: my wife is a Cubs fan (North side) and I am a White Sox fan (South Side). LOL
Alan HendersonRetired marine engineerCommented:
Don't forget that you can easily revert to your old OS if you're unhappy.

Alan HendersonRetired marine engineerCommented:
I've upgraded, but I created an image of my old 8.1 install first.So I can revert in half an hour.

Good options here for free and freemium imaging software:
GadgetDudeAuthor Commented:
Rindi: at installation, how do I "turn off most things." Could you please be more specific?  Thank you. GadgetDude
Lee W, MVPTechnology and Business Process AdvisorCommented:
Question - if Windows 10 wasn't free, would you upgrade?  When Windows Vista came out, did you buy the Upgrade?  When Windows 7 came out, did you buy the upgrade?  When Windows 8 came out, did you buy the upgrade?  

See, if you did, you are in a MINORITY.  MOST people DON'T upgrade.  This is why MS is giving it away - they don't want the money (per se) they want the adoption and they know most people DON'T upgrade.  At least that's my opinion.  

As for spying on you... privacy is not a right.  (Don't get me wrong, it SHOULD be, but it's not).  You can fight this and try to opt out of everything, but if you were really concerned with your privacy, you wouldn't have any devices.  Do you believe web site privacy policies?  They're lies.  Maybe not today... but when the company goes bankrupt, you can BET they will sell your information.  Look at the fine print - we reserve the right to change the policy from time to time.

Bottom line is this, privacy is a nice idea, but do you have any idea how many ways you're being tracked day in and day out?  Police with license plate readers, Web sites and cookies, loyalty cards for your grocery and other stores, stores that detect your bluetooth and wifi signals when you walk in - they don't even have to connect, just read the MAC address to "tag" you.

I've come to the realization that you can fight it all you want, but it's a losing battle and in my opinion, a waste of time and effort.  All your doing is inconveniencing yourself and reducing the data all these companies acquire by 1.  Out of Millions.  I live with technology and work with - it pays my bills - and if I want to keep doing so, I believe, I have to accept the intrusions and the violations that will doubtlessly occur.  Just be aware of what you're doing and don't do stupid things.

GadgetDudeAuthor Commented:
Lee W: much wisdom. Thank you. Privacy like truth is an allusion; there is only perspective which which changes with attitude.

I also discovered that with windows them there is no product key.

dbruntonQuid, Me Anxius Sum?  Illegitimi non carborundum.Commented:
>>  This is why MS is giving it away - they don't want the money (per se) they want the adoption

>>  Do you believe web site privacy policies?  They're lies.

Here is one site that gives instructions on how to minimize Microsoft's data collecting ...

Note that there will probably be better instructions from other sites as people begin to understand how Microsoft is gathering the data.  Note that using the hosts file to block some of Microsoft's data collection DOES NOT WORK for some of the links.  Yep, they can bypass the hosts file.

At this stage I'm still waiting to install Windows 10.  Might well be after Christmas.  And the way Microsoft is behaving all of my Internet surfing might be done using a Linux or BSD system and any Windows 10 systems will be on an internalised network.
i would like to be given the option at install to install a basic version - without all the "automatics" changing views, and offering of solutions (but hiding all others) - - or the full version
my pc is not a smartphone, where i want to swipe the screen away by touching it; instead i like to have the screen stay as is, till i select an option to change it
hiding all inactive menu entries also is such a thing i don't like

**this has nothing to do with Win10, just my opinion on windows in general
During the installation you can just click on "next" all the time without reading all the text on the display. That way you get the standard, spied on installation.

But if you check and read all what is displayed, and don't just click on "next" or "OK", but rather look at the other options you have, you can turn off many of the default features of the crapps which talkback to m$. There are many radio button type settings there which you can all turn off.

Besides that you don't necessarily need to take a separate backup before doing the upgrade as has been suggested earlier, although that would be added safety, as backups should always go to external devices and should be done regularly anyway.

But the Windows 10 upgrade saves your old system and you can downgrade to it again easily within a month after the upgrade if your not happy with the OS. Of course you do need enough free space on your system. But you get warned if you don't have enough free space when upgrading.

Also, running the upgrade from the file you downloaded works better and is more reliably than using the taskbar flag, so I suggest always doing it via the download.

Another thing, once you have successfully upgraded and the PC has been registered with m$ and the OS properly activated, you can do a clean installation of Windows 10 on that same PC. It will automatically be activated again. You only have to go through the actual upgrade once on every PC.
Here are some more details. When Windows 10 boots up the first time, it goes to a display where it says "Get going fast" at the top. On the bottom right there is an "Use Express settings" option, and on the bottom left, easily overseen, "Customize settings". If you click on that customize settings option, on the next screen you can disable all the options, unless you specifically want one set (the default is all on). Then you click on "Next", and in the resulting display there are even more options you can all be disabled. Later when it gets to the account setup, at the bottom left, again easily missed, you can click on "Skip this step". On the next display, you can setup a local, non m$ account. This will be an account with Admin rights, not the normal User account you will be using later in day-to-day use, so don't name that account by your name, but rather something like "Admin", but make sure that the password is very strong. The other standard account you will be using normally you can setup later once the OS is setup, via "PC Settings".

On any PC with any OS, it is very important never to use an admin account for day-to-day use. Even when installing something or running software that needs elevated rights, UAC will come up and allow you to do that task by entering the Admin account's name and password, you almost never have to leave your standard account to do such tasks. This makes the system much more secure and must be done the same way with your current OS, Windows 7.
Qlemo"Batchelor", Developer and EE Topic AdvisorCommented:
rindi, even as admin you are not allowed to run software in admin mode without getting asked for it anymore. At least that is the case for my W10 (and even for W7 with current updates).
If you are logged on as an admin, you have to click on "YES" when UAC shows up. If you are a standard user, you have to enter the admin's name and password. That has been the same since Vista and is good so.
Qlemo"Batchelor", Developer and EE Topic AdvisorCommented:
"When UAC shows up" - correct. But you can shut up UAC on W7 - and *that* is good so (if I intend it to be so). Of course not good for the common user, and so not recommended.
GadgetDudeAuthor Commented:
Maybe I am missing something here: I currently have Windows 7Pro X64 on my laptop (which for me has been a smooth running OS) I have only 2 accounts (1 Admin & 1 Standard User). In Admin I run every piece of software - no password. It is only in Standard User Account where a password is occasionally asked for. Again, maybe I am missing something.

in conclusion, for now, I believe I have enough information to move forward: (1) create a disc for 10 to be installed at a later date (no key given); (2) Backup OS 7; (3) Customize 10 install! Carefully and slowly!!

One Final Thought! You very wonderful People are making it extremely difficult in awarding points - I wish I could award everyone. But, alas, I must choose those who have offered a simple man the best hope.


P.S. How do you "shut up" UAC? I have, at times, found it both frustrating and terribly annoying.
In Admin I run every piece of software - no password. It is only in Standard User Account where a password is occasionally asked for

That's how it is supposed to work. When logged on as an admin, you just have to press "Yes" when something needs elevated rights, and on a standard account, you need the admin's name and his password.

You shouldn't disable UAC, that is bad practice and makes the system less secure. Just get used to it.

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Qlemo"Batchelor", Developer and EE Topic AdvisorCommented:
I can only agree to the last sentence above. If you are seeing the UAC popup once in a week, it is ok. If you see it every five minutes, you do something wrong ;-). Unless you have very specific needs (as we do in our company).
GadgetDudeAuthor Commented:
It was difficult for me to "award" points. I find the point system ludicrous. Several members have given tremendous suggestions only to be suppressed by this artificial and limited system.
But I do want to thank all contributing members. Even though I don't agree with this points system, I boldly say that you are ALL winners in my book (you are my "A" team).
Blessings!  GadgetDude

P.S. Why do we not receive a license key with Windows 10? Just curious.

P.P.S. I am STILL a White Sox fan. LOL
Joe Winograd, Fellow&MVEDeveloperCommented:
> Several members have given tremendous suggestions only to be suppressed by this artificial and limited system.

Hi GadgetDude,

Although I was the beneficiary of half the 500 points, I want to apprise you of something that should result in my getting fewer points. :)

It sounds as if you may be unaware of an important feature of the Points system. Seems to me that you may think there can be only one Accepted Solution (true) and one Assisted Solution (not true). So there's no problem awarding points to all contributing members. You may even award a different number of points for the posts, and you may accept more than one post from the same contributor. I think it's fair to say that the system is not as limited as you imply.

My advice is to click the Request Attention link under your question on the right side and ask that the question be re-opened. Then award points to as many posts as you want with whatever number of points you want to give for each post, as long as they total 500. There will be no problem awarding points to all seven experts who helped you. Regards, Joe
GadgetDudeAuthor Commented:
Not only am I grateful for all the help, but it is a bonus that I have also learned something.
As I have tried to tell people "Never be ashamed or embarrassed to admit that you are wrong. It is a sign that you're smarter today than you were yesterday." If I understand correctly: I have awarded points and they will be automatically distributed amongst the contributing members.
I look forward to using the balance of my membership.
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