16-bits aplication on windows 10

on my company I have one old system that works with word 6 and ms access 2.0 (both 16-bits applications). Now I have one PC with windows 10 32bits and I´m getting error messages while installing Word 6 and Access 2.0. I can do that installation on windows 10 32bits? Is tha possible ?
Jose BredariolPMPAsked:
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Adam LeinssServer SpecialistCommented:
What are the error messages?  You might be better of running it in a VM...that's what we do with Autocad R13/R14.  Once you get it into a VM, such a Virtualbox, you can also move that from PC to PC very easily.
Mark GalvinManaging Director / Principal ConsultantCommented:
Hi

Have you enabled NTVDM? You will need to do that on Windows 10 (32 bit only) in order for 16bit apps to run.

To enable:
run (in an elevated command prompt)
dism /online /enable-feature:ntvdm

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Or

Use Powershell:
Import-Module PSClientManager
Add-ClientFeature –Name NTVDM

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Hope that helps
thanks
Mark
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You may need to set up a DOS virtual machine for this because 16-bit applications are so old.

I have a DOS 6.3 virtual machine on my Windows 10 machine and it works great.
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Jose BredariolPMPAuthor Commented:
Error : NTVDM.EXE is not responding
Yes, I know that I can do that on VM, but I would like to do it without VM. Is that possible ?
Adam LeinssServer SpecialistCommented:
I checked from my Windows 10 x64 system and this Troubleshooting panel still exists:

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows7/open-the-program-compatibility-troubleshooter

You can try that.  Is it possible?  Maybe...though that might be asking something like "can you help me find a purple squirrel?", because many of us don't have Access 2.0 or Word 6 lying around to test.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Windows 64-bit cannot run 16-bit applications and that has been true since Vista 64-bit
Adam LeinssServer SpecialistCommented:
Yes, I know, he is running Windows 10 x86.  The troubleshooting panel exists in x64, I assume it exists in x86 as well.  

Also, just for reference: Access 2.0 is from 1993 (22 years old) and Word 6 is 1995 (20 years old).
McKnifeCommented:
Your ntvdm error, does it appear after installing ntvdm, like you had been advised to do?
Hamed NasrRetired IT ProfessionalCommented:
Try setting the compatibility to older version of windows, then install.
John TsioumprisSoftware & Systems EngineerCommented:
I guess its time to consider upgrading your system...or else keep an old machine (better two) just for serving this system...VMs are always the solution in these awkward situations
Gustav BrockCIOCommented:
You need to be more specific about what error message you receive.

Problem with these old apps is that they try to install ini files in the Windows folder and to create other folders and this is not directly possible due to much tighter security from Vista and forwards.

We have at clients successfully installed Access 2.0 applications on both Windows 7 and Windows 8/8.1 32-bit, not on Windows 10 but I suspect it would behave the same as on Windows 8.x.

But install is one thing, how they run is another. While Access 2.0 runs fine on Windows 7, it is not useful on Windows 8 because screen rendering is not always done. This means, that when you close a form, a form behind it is not repainted but is left White where is was covered. You then have to minimize the form behind, then restore it and, of course, users complain.

To cut it short, we installed a terminal server to host these legacy applications and let the users open a shortcut that open the application as an app - meaning that you don't see the remote desktop, only the app in what looks like a normal Windows. It's great and moves all maintenance away from users' workstations.

We haven't had to bother with Word 6 but I guess the picture is similar.

/gustav
Jose BredariolPMPAuthor Commented:
NTDVM error appers on the installation.
Those commands doesn´t  works on my pc :
Import-Module PSClientManager
Add-ClientFeature –Name NTVDM
McKnifeCommented:
Could you execute
dism /online /enable-feature:ntvdm
?
Jose BredariolPMPAuthor Commented:
Yes, with no errors.
McKnifeCommented:
Ok, then those programs are incompatible for other reasons.
Since win10 pro (x64) has hyper-v you have a free hypervisor at hand, it would be better to use that and install your old OS (or DOS) into it. There are also emulators like this one: http://www.dosbox.com/
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
It is unlikely going forward that 16-bit applications will run in any modern system. Further 32-bit host machine will forever be crippled because of limited memory. As a strategy, Virtualization is a better strategy going forward as I noted earlier.

With VMware Workstation, you can run a guest in Unity Mode and make it seamless.  This is very much worth considering.

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Jose BredariolPMPAuthor Commented:
Thanks all
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
@Jose Bredariol - You are very welcome and I was happy to help.
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