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hello,

currently i have an i5-2310 with  8 Gb ram and an SSD of 250 GB

i wish to have a newer, better DESKTOP system (i7 or such) and would like to see what the soft spots are now, regarding mobo, cpu, and ram

suggestions ?
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Muhammad BurhanManager I.T.Commented:
What you are expecting from the newer?
I mean what you gonna run in the newer machine ..?
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nobusAuthor Commented:
sorry - that has nothing to do with my question
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
For specific suggestions you really need to provide more details.    e.g. the on-chip video is excellent these days; but if you're a gamer or a 3D graphics professional you'll want a dedicated video card with much higher performance.    For most uses 16GB is PLENTY of RAM ... and this allows you to only use 2 memory modules, which for unbuffered memory will result in a more reliable memory subsystem.    SSDs are much more affordable these days, so I'd use at least a 500GB unit, and you may even want to consider a TB.

I'd definitely include at least two hard drives -- one SSD and a 2nd much larger traditional drive for both extra data and also to backup the SSD.

As an example, I recently built my wife a new system.   I used a Z97-based motherboard; an i7-4790, 16GB of RAM, a 500GB SSD and a 4TB 2nd drive.    The onboard graphics is fine for her purposes.

If I was building a system for myself, it would be very similar, except I'd have several more disk drives and probably a larger form-factor motherboard with more expansion capabilities (hers is a mini-ITX system).   I might also consider using a Skylake CPU and Socket 1151 motherboard, although the difference between that and Haswell is really very nominal.
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Dan CraciunIT ConsultantCommented:
Is something wrong with your current setup?

I use a i5-2550K with 16GB DDR3. One 250GB Intel SSD, 3 2TB WD HDDs.

I haven't found yet something that does not work on this setup, so I'll postpone the upgrade until I need it.

HTH,
Dan
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nobusAuthor Commented:
ok
answers for everybody
there is nothing wrong with my current pc
as i said clearly "i wish to have a newer, better DESKTOP system (i7 or such) and would like to see what the soft spots are now, regarding mobo, cpu, and ram"

but nobody answers that, except Garycase (as usual)
i suppose the  Z97 refers to the intel mobo? and yes i have a 1 TBdisk installed also
it looks like you are looking after your wife very good....

something specific is what i am looking for - not general assumptions, or suggestions
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Z97 is the chipset I'd suggest for a Haswell-based board.

If you want the "latest & greatest" without spending the extra $$ for a Socket 2011 based system, then I'd go with an i7-6700k with 16GB and either an H170 or Z170 based motherboard [H170 boards are more economical, and if you're not going to do any overclocking they're really all you need].

If you want true top-of-the-line performance, you need to go with a Socket 2011 board, which will provide far higher PCIe bus bandwidth (supports up to 40 PCIe lanes compared to 16), will give you quad channel memory access and support for the superb Haswell-E processors, which have up to 8 cores.     They do, however, get pretty pricey :-)    Personally, if I was going to spend that kind of $$, I'd go a step further and use a C6xx series server motherboard with an E5 series Xeon (probably an E5-1650v3) so I'd also get the benefits of buffered RAM.
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David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
Skylake is faster than Haswell and about 2x faster than Sandybridge for the same price point $300-350US.  If your SSD is using SATA then it is easy to hit the SATA speed limitations. PC-NVME using M2 or PCI-E is the fastest these days but if you have 2 in RAID0 then we now hit the DMI limitations. This will give you the maximum data transfer rate attainable these days. The newest Samsung Drives  SM951 NVMe are a lot cheaper than the Intel SSD 750's currently limited to 512GB the 1TB will be released Q1 2016.

Curious as to what you mean by Soft spots?
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nobusAuthor Commented:
ok David; that looks ok to me.
so what is your suggestion ( i also like the pricewise aspect shown) about mobo, cpu, and SSD ?

if others want to suggest systems - please do !
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Agree with Skylake and PCIe-based M.2's => you'll get 3-4 times the bandwidth of a SATA-3 SSD.    I've seen Windows boot times under 5 seconds with these :-)

And with the new Z170 chipset used in the high end Skylake motherboards you now get 4 PCIe lanes in the SATA Express and M.2 slots, so you take full advantage of the NMVE SSDs.    As David noted, even if your motherboard supports 2 M.2 slots, you'll still hit DMI limits if you RAID them together, so you won't get quite as much bandwidth as you might expect ... but it will still be a LOT :-)    [probably 1.5x a single SSD]

Probably the biggest improvements with SkyLake are the switch to DDR4 and the addition of an additional 20 PCIe lanes via the PCH, so you can get 36 lanes compared to 16 with Haswell systems (although only 16 of those are direct to the CPU).

But also as I noted earlier, unless you need the extra PCIe bandwidth, there's not a lot of performance difference between a Skylake i7 and a Haswell i7 ... so it really depends on what you're going to do with the system.
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nobusAuthor Commented:
good to know
could you suggest a couple of each of these motherboards?

and do you agree on the Samsung Drives  SM951 for ssd  ?
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
For a micro-ATX form factor, I like the inexpensive Asus Z170M-Plus board.   Has an M.2 socket and a SATA Express port; and has 2 PCIe x16 sockets (one runs at x4).    If you don’t the greater expansion features in ATX boards, the smaller micro-ATX form factor is often a good choice.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813132573

For an ATX board, I’d go with the AsRock Z170 Extreme7+, which has 4 PCIe x16 slots; 3 Ultra M.2 sockets, plus 3 SATA Express connections, in addition to 10 SATA3 connections.    A truly prodigious amount of expansion options.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157627

Either of those boards are good choices.    Pop in a Core i7-6700k with a pair of 8GB or 16GB DDR4 modules and you'd have a superb system with 16GB or 32GB of RAM.

... and Yes, I certainly agree that a Samsung SM951 NVMe  SSD would be a VERY nice addition => 4 PCIe lanes will "run circles" around a SATA-interfaced drive :-)
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nobusAuthor Commented:
the parts are ordered
thanks to all
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
Just out of curiosity, what did you order ??
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nobusAuthor Commented:
i replaced the Asus H170 Pro  105,00 EUR  -->Asus Z170M-Plus = 120 EUR

Intel Core i7 6700K                    350,00 EUR
Kingston 16Gb DDR4 SDRAM   115,00 EUR
Samsung 850 EVO 512 SSD       175,00 EUR

the Samsung SM951 NVMe  SSD was not listed yet - i may still buy it later

**David, "Curious as to what you mean by Soft spots? "  these are the best in price/performance ratio, but i let myself go a bit... shame on me...
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Gary CaseRetiredCommented:
VERY nice system :-)
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