Using Electronics in Ukraine
Hi Experts,
I am not sure if I am posting in the correct category, but I would like to send some small electronics to Ukraine, like mini netbook, router and simple mobile phone (unlocked), and I have a couple of questions...
First, when the plug says input 100-240V does that mean that I don't need a Voltage converter (just an adapter) as I know in Ukraine 220V is the standard?
If I get a voltage converter I would also like send a power bar with 5 or 6 outlets in order to plug in everything, how can I calculate how much I can plug in into the voltage converter?
If all my power adapters go up to 240V, can I just get a adapter for the power bar and disregard the voltage conversion?
I know in North America you can get adapter for multiple of outputs, how do I know which is correct?
Can I get something to convert 3-prong to 2-prong?
Finally, in Ukraine the plugs are concave (see image), how can I extend this, so it fits?
Thank you
EU-Socket.jpg
I am not sure if I am posting in the correct category, but I would like to send some small electronics to Ukraine, like mini netbook, router and simple mobile phone (unlocked), and I have a couple of questions...
First, when the plug says input 100-240V does that mean that I don't need a Voltage converter (just an adapter) as I know in Ukraine 220V is the standard?
If I get a voltage converter I would also like send a power bar with 5 or 6 outlets in order to plug in everything, how can I calculate how much I can plug in into the voltage converter?
If all my power adapters go up to 240V, can I just get a adapter for the power bar and disregard the voltage conversion?
I know in North America you can get adapter for multiple of outputs, how do I know which is correct?
Can I get something to convert 3-prong to 2-prong?
Finally, in Ukraine the plugs are concave (see image), how can I extend this, so it fits?
Thank you
EU-Socket.jpg
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If all my power adapters go up to 240V, can I just get a socket adapter for the power bar and disregard the voltage conversion?
If all my power adapters go up to 240V, can I just get a socket adapter for the power bar and disregard the voltage conversion? Yes.
I agree with John
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Final question, my power bar says max load 15A, my netbook says: Input 1A, so in theory I can safely plug in 15 netbooks?
I was thinking sending that power bar and 1socked converter without ground because they only have type C.
Regarding the phone, it supports GSM, so I think that should be ok.
I was thinking sending that power bar and 1socked converter without ground because they only have type C.
Regarding the phone, it supports GSM, so I think that should be ok.
You should not load a power bar OR circuit to max. In your example, 10 machines would be all you want to plug in
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But I have the right idea for calculating?
No . In the real world, power draw is subject to vagaries . So while your theory is correct, you would be constantly tripping the breaker or blowing a fuse.
@APD_Toronto - Thanks and I was happy to help.
Again agree with John not to load power bar to max.
At what voltage do you have input 1A? It is written on a netbook or on power adapter?
Having 1A on 110V or 230V means huge amount of power for a netbook. To make calculations simple, that means that the netbook is capable of consuming 110 or 230 watts, what is insane. Most powerful mobile workstations have 150W power adapters, but they are normally sucking less power. When they are not fully utilized, I would say that they consume about 50W. And for a netbook I would say it is below 30 W. 30W device connected at 230V should not suck more than 0,2A from the mains.
Having 1A written on netbook, with specified voltage of 18V, means that the netbook is using 18W max. On the mains that will mean less than 0,2A.
But these are just speculations and without precise technical data it is impossible to be sure.
About GSM, canada and Ukraine uses different GSM bands, so be sure that the devices support both bands: http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
You can use http://www.gsmarena.com, to find out which gsm phone supports which bands.
At what voltage do you have input 1A? It is written on a netbook or on power adapter?
Having 1A on 110V or 230V means huge amount of power for a netbook. To make calculations simple, that means that the netbook is capable of consuming 110 or 230 watts, what is insane. Most powerful mobile workstations have 150W power adapters, but they are normally sucking less power. When they are not fully utilized, I would say that they consume about 50W. And for a netbook I would say it is below 30 W. 30W device connected at 230V should not suck more than 0,2A from the mains.
Having 1A written on netbook, with specified voltage of 18V, means that the netbook is using 18W max. On the mains that will mean less than 0,2A.
But these are just speculations and without precise technical data it is impossible to be sure.
About GSM, canada and Ukraine uses different GSM bands, so be sure that the devices support both bands: http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
You can use http://www.gsmarena.com, to find out which gsm phone supports which bands.
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Thanks Davorin,
For the GSM I checked the bands that are supported on mother-in-law current phone and they match.
1A is written on the power adapter, whereas on the netbook is says 1.58A, but it does not say for 110V or 240V. See image of the power adapter.
Additionally, when getting ready everything I notice on the power bar it says 125VAC.I thought power bars do not have anything electronic in them, just wiring to multiple the outlets. If I get a socket adapter and use this power bar with all power adapters saying 110V-240V, will I have an issue? In this case do I need voltage converter for the power bar and then plug in everything regularly?
As for load, is it safe to say not go over 67% of the total Ampers? So if I have 15A power bar, to keep it 10A or under?
For the GSM I checked the bands that are supported on mother-in-law current phone and they match.
1A is written on the power adapter, whereas on the netbook is says 1.58A, but it does not say for 110V or 240V. See image of the power adapter.
Additionally, when getting ready everything I notice on the power bar it says 125VAC.I thought power bars do not have anything electronic in them, just wiring to multiple the outlets. If I get a socket adapter and use this power bar with all power adapters saying 110V-240V, will I have an issue? In this case do I need voltage converter for the power bar and then plug in everything regularly?
As for load, is it safe to say not go over 67% of the total Ampers? So if I have 15A power bar, to keep it 10A or under?
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Here is the image. As well for the 67% I am assuming from the power adapter, and not the device?
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In my calculations, I also assume I dont need to consider anything else like Watts?
In calculations use 1A - the input current of power adapter.
Power bars usually don't have any electronics, but 125VAC is used to specify for what maximum voltage the device is safe to use - isolation could not stand higher voltages.
67% is fine. I would not use that bar on 230V. Maybe it is cheaper to use EU power bars and multiple socket adapters instead using voltage converter.
Power bars usually don't have any electronics, but 125VAC is used to specify for what maximum voltage the device is safe to use - isolation could not stand higher voltages.
67% is fine. I would not use that bar on 230V. Maybe it is cheaper to use EU power bars and multiple socket adapters instead using voltage converter.
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Where can i get EU power bar
What you get here are adapters. For a European power bar, you need to get it in Europe. Then AC end (plug) will be unique to the country.
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What about:
https://www.amazon.ca/VCT-WPS-Electronics-Universal-Protector/dp/B000784H4K
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https://www.amazon.ca/Orei-WP_9GNB-American-European-Certified/dp/B0058EG0KC/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=HC8JHMRHB9YN1FFWXRG9.
in this case I think 13A is maximum, so my aim would be 8A or less?
https://www.amazon.ca/VCT-WPS-Electronics-Universal-Protector/dp/B000784H4K
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https://www.amazon.ca/Orei-WP_9GNB-American-European-Certified/dp/B0058EG0KC/ref=pd_bxgy_147_img_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=HC8JHMRHB9YN1FFWXRG9.
in this case I think 13A is maximum, so my aim would be 8A or less?
That could work. I had not seen Amazon's Canadian Website sell European adapters like that.
There are always a plethora of adaptors available at international airports.
You don't need both. As I can see, you can attach devices with Canadian plugs directly to that bar.
It should be universal and it should accept also type C and F plugs, but I would not attach type F connectors to it as they need groundings.
Canadian connectors will be grounded.
Use adapters if you want attach devices separately - without a bar. You are still ok with 10A, as devices will not constantly such max current. And even if they would, 3A is still a big enough margin.
It should be universal and it should accept also type C and F plugs, but I would not attach type F connectors to it as they need groundings.
Canadian connectors will be grounded.
Use adapters if you want attach devices separately - without a bar. You are still ok with 10A, as devices will not constantly such max current. And even if they would, 3A is still a big enough margin.
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Thanks All!
I assume that you mean a power pack / power adaptor. If so, you DON'T need any converter or inverter. The power pack will accomodate 100/110/220/240V at any AC frequency (Hz). You just need the socket adaptor from US plug to Ukrainian wall socket.