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hi, i have installed a virtual environment for a customer.

i installed;

2x AD Controllers (windows server 2012)
1x SQL Server ( SQL Web 2014)
2x RDS Server ( windows server 2012)
1x File Server (windows server 2012)

questions:

1. my customer has 35 users connecting to that RDS server for working in office and small sql database use. Do i need 2 RDS servers and use load balancing?

2. if i do load balancing then i use "user profile disks"? and where do i place this disks?
3. my customer needs a file server. i installed a regular windows server to use a file host. is this ok or do i best install some kind of nas? and what to use then?

thanks!
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1. it's hard to say how many RDS servers you need for any number of users. It all depends on the load these users generate and this may vary on the applications and usage patterns. But 2 (with load balancing) is probably better than one, even for only 35 users.

2. user profile disks live on a network share on your file server.

3. again, it all depends on how heavy duty the file server needs to be to satisfy the users. You don't specify which hardware you use for the virtual environment, but if the host server(s) has sufficient I/O resources, then a virtual file server can probably suffice.
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by:Aaron Tomosky
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How many of those 35 users will be in rds at the same time? Full desktops or remote apps?
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there will be 35 users connected and full desktops.
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When will os updates, patching, app updates and installs happen? I generally prefer a gateway server and two session hosts just so I can move users to one, update and patch the other, then move users back. It also allows you to run one session host on different hardware if you do need more resources.
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Is this one Hyper-V or VMware host? If yes, then why two DC VMs?

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1: That depends on the apps running on the VM and the underlying hardware driving the VM (CPU, RAM, and hard disk). As a rule, we would deploy one Remote Desktop Session Host (RDSH) with all roles set up.

2: UPDs would go on a network Windows file server. You could set up two RDSH VMs dedicated to each subset of users (security group filtering) to eliminate the need to configure a farm (broker).

3: Set up a Windows Server VM with the File Services and Resource Management Roles and Features. It's our preference to only deliver files via a Windows based file server. Volume Shadow Copies is a key reason for recovering files/folders by the user, another is permission sets are simpler to manage, and we can have auditing if need-be.
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Philip Elder,

we setup 2 DC controller just to make sure. If one goes down then no user can logon unless its recovered. like this the users always can logon.

i have for each rds server 32GB ram, 8 vCPU @2.9Ghz and 4 1GB's lan's.

usage will be: internet, office, small sql usage on a accountancy program.
users will connect from 12 different locations in one country.
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You should definitely have 2 DC.

What is the underlying hardware infrastructure? Hyper-V or VMWare?
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robocat, we are running on vmware esx 6
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And what are the specs for the underlying hardware?
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i have for each rds server 32GB ram, 8 vCPU @2.9Ghz and 4 1GB's lan's.
RDS is running on 15k SAS hard drives
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by:robocat
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8 vCPU means that you're describing the virtual machine specs.  I'd like to know the specs of the underlying hardware.
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by:Rik Van Lier
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OK HP Server G7
Xeon X5560 2x 2.8Ghz
128GB RAM installed
8x SAS 15K 600GB P410 Controller
8x SSD 512GB P420 Controller
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OK, based on that:

- do not allocate more than 4 vCPU for each RDS. More is not always beter and in this case it might even hurt performance.
- you should have plenty of IOPS from the disks, and a virtual fileserver should be just fine.

As things are virtual, you can always make changes to the setup after you get feedback from the users.

groetjes, robocat.
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by:Rik Van Lier
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Sorry for the waiting! had a few days holiday! installation is succesfull
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Good advice given
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