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what program would i use instead of office ?

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on a windows 10 PC - 64 bit; my client finds OFFICE too expensive while the stuent version is 149euro, and does NOT have Outlook - the home & Business that has outlook costs 269 Euro
i know i can install Open office, but it does not come with an outlook compatible progam

question : what softwares to choose for OFFICE and outlook
if possible - retain mail adress, and easy transfer of the existing pst file
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Sounds like they're looking at perpetual licenses. What about a subscription?

I don't know what type of client yours is, but Office 365 Personal is only $70 / year, which is about 62 euro right now. Or it's $6.99 / month (about 6 euro)

https://products.office.com/en-us/office-365-personal

It includes Word, Excel, PowerPoint, OneNote, Outlook, Publisher, and Access.

There's Office 365 Education E5 for $6/month per student and $8/month for faculty and staff. It includes Outlook. https://products.office.com/en-us/academic/compare-office-365-education-plans. Business plans are similarly priced.

This is a subscription, not a perpetual license, but the good thing here is they get frequent updates. They won't get that with the perpetual licenses.

If they're dead set on a different package, maybe look at Google Docs and Gmail.
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Echo S - actually the price is 69 euro/year here
it seems they found a way to increase their income  - in 10 years 690 Euro
if you compare that with office 2016business at 216 euro ...
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As mentioned above, Thunderbird is the email client to use, while LibreOffice the Office soultion. Both are OpenSource and free, Thunderbird is the best mail client available, a lot better the Outlook, while LibreOffice is the same for Office.

Personally I suggest using the PortableApps version of both. Just install PortableApps on the PC, then use it's interface to download and install your the PortableApps you want. They get listed in categories and there are many available, for example the Gimp, which is the best picture editor there is (better than photoshop), or irfanview, which is a great photo-viewer, or VLC which is the best mediaplayer. With PortableApps you have the advantage that they are centrally managed and updated, and you can also have all your PortableApps on a USB stick and use them directly on other PC's without having to install anything.

http://portableapps.com/
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ok Rindi - i'll try that and let you know later on
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Single office application alone costs 100$, should be crumbles compared to 200$ windows purchase already done.
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here windows10 home is listed as 129

Rindi - can i import the pst file in thunderbird?
libre office and thunderbird are installed -went without a hitch; tx for the suggestion
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PST files are only compatible with outlook and exchange, so no. But there should be no need to import anything unless they are just archives. The mail and data should be located on the mail server.

If the mails aren't on the server anymore, or the PST's are archive files, then you will have to use outlook to export them to thunderbird. This means you will at least have to install Outlook temporarily on the PC. The Link below explains how you can do it. One thing I recommend you do when you setup the email account in Thunderbird, set it up as an IMAP and not POP account (provided the email provider supports IMAP). IMAP has many advantages over POP, for exampleyou can see the complete directory structure on the server, with POP you only see the server's inbox, and no sub-folders.

http://www.pstwalker.com/how-to-convert-outlook-data-files-pst-and-ost-to-thunderbird.html
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It depends a lot on what all you do with Outlook.  If it is just email, then Thunderbird will be an excellent (and free) alternative.  If you need integration with other programs, there may be issues.
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Rindi  - that is a 50$ software (it's not much but for a student, you know, )
i found i could backup the pst with an older version of thunderbird - and did so
but now i do not find where to store the profile  manually in the portable version ?
can you help plse?

meantime i setup outlook on the old drive seems to be a pop account
do you know if that can be changed to imap  with data retention?

CompprobSolv she only uses mail - nothing else
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It is under \ThunderbirdPortable\Data\Profile.
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Is your client a student? If so, then you can get Office 2016 for around $30
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she is a student - and the price for home and student = 149 €
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OK, there is a difference in what is possible between countries I guess. In the Netherlands there are several organisations that offer Office and other software for a very reduced price. Don't know which country your student is from but in NL we have for example https://slim.nl/Shop/Home.aspx and https://www.surfspot.nl/software.html - or Microsoft which has an offer for 4 years for €79: https://www.microsoftstore.com/store/mseea/nl_BE/list/Exclusieve-onderwijskorting/parentCategoryID.66224200/categoryID.66411700
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Gerwin i'm from Belgium
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student versions are only in local languages (i.e no English in Belgium even for international students)
Unless you intend to use sharepoint you should be fine with libreoffice
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Nobus - the Microsoft link is both for NL and BE (Dutch/French download available), I'd just check whether it's applicable for your student or not. It could even be completely free (online versions), check this link: https://products.office.com/nl-be/student/office-in-education - no harm in checking I would say ;) KU Leuven has an offer as well: https://admin.kuleuven.be/icts/office365
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If it is only email, then Thunderbird (or other respectable email clients) are good solutions.

Windows Live Mail (free from Microsoft) may be a reasonable solution if email groups are not important.

Thunderbird should be able to import from the PST file directly.  If Outlook was set to use POP and delete mail from the server, then you'll have to do do an import.  If it was using IMAP or it left all mail on the server then Thunderbird will retrieve all Inbox mail.  Sent Mail is a different story with POP.
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Gerwin - you're correct, i looked at your link
i don't know why that did not cross my mind before -  but it is a good solution (even if for now i don't use it)

CompProbSolv Thunderbird says the support for importing pst files  ended with version 38 -  and that's just the problem with nearly all clients : nobody knows if he's using POP or IMAP
and how to check that if the system does not run??
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Most mail providers allow access to the email via a web-browser so you don't need a client. If yours has such an option logon to the email using firefox or another browser, and if you see all the old mail there everything is fine.
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well the client in this case dislikes the webmail version, and wants outlook

rindi - i could not find the profile, so i removed portable apps folder completely
but thanks for the info, i lerarned again some things

she went for the student offer of Office 365 for 4 years
problem is i cannot download it there, it says i have to do that from the buyer account - is that correct?
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> problem is i cannot download it there, it says i have to do that from the buyer account - is that correct?
The Office downloads/installs I get from Microsoft require me to log on, yes. Activation needs the account as well.
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so i cannot do this for another person?   bummer..
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You can probably do a remote assistance session with the client and install it that way. He/She'd have to be there to input passwords and such, of course.
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yep it's new for me too Gerwin
and yes, ECHo_S  i can use teamviewer
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client decided to go for the student offer of office 365
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