2012 Remote Desktop Server - What do you need?
I want to make sure I am not missing something. I have a customer that is still running a 2003 Server and using it as a Terminal Server. I need to get them up to speed. I was looking at some prices for the software and came up with this (for a 5-user Termianl Server):
Microsoft Server 2012 R2 Standard: $800
5 - Server 2012 R@ CAL: $150
Microsoft Remote Desktop Services 5-user CAL: $870
That is $1,820 just in Microsoft software and licenses. Is that real? It that what I need to buy or can I cut back somewhere?
What about an alternative like TSPlus?
$1,820 (not including the cost of the server) seems a little excessive for a 5-user Terminal Server isn't it?
Microsoft Server 2012 R2 Standard: $800
5 - Server 2012 R@ CAL: $150
Microsoft Remote Desktop Services 5-user CAL: $870
That is $1,820 just in Microsoft software and licenses. Is that real? It that what I need to buy or can I cut back somewhere?
What about an alternative like TSPlus?
$1,820 (not including the cost of the server) seems a little excessive for a 5-user Terminal Server isn't it?
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Ohs... what I mean is that you can get better prices than those. Try quoting the 'Open Business/Open License' licenses with a different reseller and you might get better prices. We have bought RDS packages of 5 licenses for small clients and it has been about 400.00 - 450.00 dollars :).
If there is a DC already in place, you can validate how they are using their current Server CALs. If they are per server you will need to get Server CALs for a new server, but if they are per seat (user/device) you do not need to buy the additional Server CALs for the network (Saving an extra $150.00).
We have also tried many third party terminal server products with Win7 / Win8 and they work fine. In such cases these products are usually installed in a VM inside the server. They move at a decent speed and they show up to the users a workstation interface, rather than a server interface.
If there is a DC already in place, you can validate how they are using their current Server CALs. If they are per server you will need to get Server CALs for a new server, but if they are per seat (user/device) you do not need to buy the additional Server CALs for the network (Saving an extra $150.00).
We have also tried many third party terminal server products with Win7 / Win8 and they work fine. In such cases these products are usually installed in a VM inside the server. They move at a decent speed and they show up to the users a workstation interface, rather than a server interface.
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Windows Server Multi Point Edition would be the ticket? Still need user CALS and RDS CALS?There is such a thing as a Windows Server Multipoint CAL a bit pricier (+10%) than an RDS CAL.
In europe the VPN is EJF-02392 and woud sell around 130 EUR. I'm not sure how many are included in the base server package.
Some clarifications :
- The Multipoint Server 2012 licence is not bundled with CAL.
- Each workstation connecting to the Multipoint Server requires one Multipoint Server 2012 CAL (it's device based!)
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj916397(v=ws.11).aspx
- The Multipoint Server 2012 licence is not bundled with CAL.
- Each workstation connecting to the Multipoint Server requires one Multipoint Server 2012 CAL (it's device based!)
https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/jj916397(v=ws.11).aspx
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Can you just use 2012R2 Essentials? It comes with one virtual server license, and CALS /TS CALS for 25 users. Take out the 2012 standard server, set up the main essentials server your Standard network roles, then use the built in Hyper-V role to virtualize a second essentials server on it to run a just remote desktop services.
Essentials absolutely does NOT come with 25 RDS CALs. That proposed topology would also be illegal.
Care to expand? You are right, you couldn't split the roles, I read the OSE chart wrong. But according to this you do not need CALS: https://blogs.technet.microsoft.com/sbs/2013/09/03/understanding-licensing-for-windows-server-2012-r2-essentials-and-the-windows-server-essentials-experience-role/. We use RWA and have not needed CALS for that. Now if you were using just terminal services on the server itself, you'd need CALS.
The essentials product allows 25 users to access the server but THEY ARE NOT CALs. So they do not cover other servers. And since essentials itself cannot be a terminal server, there is zero way to run a terminal server without both windows and RDS CALs. Access Anywhere, formerly known as RWA/RWW, is for accessing client machines remotely, not running a terminal server. There is no way to use essentials to reduce terminal server costs.
Also, just as an aside, some folks have been talking about WMS. Multipoint does not have a 2012 R2 version, and IE 11 was never released for 2012. IE10 is officially out of support. For a terminal server, this can be a big issue and has been controversial with WMS fans. I can't currently recommend it for new deployments.
Also, just as an aside, some folks have been talking about WMS. Multipoint does not have a 2012 R2 version, and IE 11 was never released for 2012. IE10 is officially out of support. For a terminal server, this can be a big issue and has been controversial with WMS fans. I can't currently recommend it for new deployments.
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@Gauthier: It is a Open Business Server 2012 License. I logged in to the Volume License Portal and the purchase generated keys for Essentials R2 and Standard R2 but I cannot find a second key for the Standard R2 to run it as a VM. Are you sure this is doable and legit? Any idea where the second key might be?
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I'm certain it's legit:
Winows Server 2012 Standard include one licence for a VM of itself independently of the purchase method (retail/OEM/Open)
It's probable that with Open Licence, the same key is used for both install, the OEM sticker had 2 keys.
I'm certain it's legit:
Winows Server 2012 Standard include one licence for a VM of itself independently of the purchase method (retail/OEM/Open)
It's probable that with Open Licence, the same key is used for both install, the OEM sticker had 2 keys.
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So if they are looking for a dedicated (Microsoft) Terminal Server then Windows Server Multi Point Edition would be the ticket? Still need user CALS and RDS CALS?
I have tried Ericom and TSPlus. Like them both .....