Why do some apps not respond effectively to the "Close" button or keyboard shortcut for "close" in OS X?
Here is an issue that has been bugging me for years, since my becoming an "Apple." ( I HAD to leave Windows after Vista wrecked everything! So I jumped to the world of Apple. Life got much better!)
I've been through numerous versions of OS X going back as far as "Lion." Possibly even before Lion - my memory fails me. Life really is SO much better with OS X!
But all along there has been one little bug that has bitten me millions of times, and yet I've never heard a peep about in any of Apple's forums or other like forums.
Under every version of OS X I've used, numerous apps do NOT CLOSE when the "Close" button is used, or when the same-purpose keyboard shortcut is invoked. I can see these unresponsive apps still open in the "Force Quit"
― Command/Option/Escape keyboard shortcut―dialogue, where open apps show their presence. I have to "Force Close" these sticky apps every time.
I have installed on my system something like 125 apps, counting Apple's own mandatory apps.The sticky apps seem to be mostly, but not only, Apple's own apps. Some of the offenders are: Safari, Mail, Opera, Clean Apps, iTunes, iBooks; Adobe Photoshop, Pages. There are a few more but my feeble old brain can't call them all up at this moment. But that list must surely indicate a system-wide fault.
Why does nobody notice this? Is this just a legacy OS X bug that we must live with? Or is the Force Quit Box returning false positives?
I've been through numerous versions of OS X going back as far as "Lion." Possibly even before Lion - my memory fails me. Life really is SO much better with OS X!
But all along there has been one little bug that has bitten me millions of times, and yet I've never heard a peep about in any of Apple's forums or other like forums.
Under every version of OS X I've used, numerous apps do NOT CLOSE when the "Close" button is used, or when the same-purpose keyboard shortcut is invoked. I can see these unresponsive apps still open in the "Force Quit"
― Command/Option/Escape keyboard shortcut―dialogue, where open apps show their presence. I have to "Force Close" these sticky apps every time.
I have installed on my system something like 125 apps, counting Apple's own mandatory apps.The sticky apps seem to be mostly, but not only, Apple's own apps. Some of the offenders are: Safari, Mail, Opera, Clean Apps, iTunes, iBooks; Adobe Photoshop, Pages. There are a few more but my feeble old brain can't call them all up at this moment. But that list must surely indicate a system-wide fault.
Why does nobody notice this? Is this just a legacy OS X bug that we must live with? Or is the Force Quit Box returning false positives?
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Farther down the first link there were some close instructions. I do not have an Apple machine here at the moment to test. But take a look and see if something fits.
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Hello John and David,
❛[As I wrote a couple of days ago, having been away from EE for a decade or more, I don't understand the new protocol for "scoring" multiple answers or, for that matter, any single answer. In this case you both hit on some points that refreshed my memory on the issue of closing apps on OS X, but nothing new was offered. I would like to give you both partial points for your answers but I don't see any way to do that in new EE. Would you mind telling me how this new scoring system works, then I'll settle the issue and close it.]
Virtually all of the points you guys covered were things that I already knew. No matter which of multiple ways of closing an app in OS X, there remains a loopy sort of chance that the app will not close.
Some points are moot because I've been through several new Macs over the years and this issue happens on a brand new Mac
―and on every version of OS X that I've used from approximately Lion to today's Sierra, ―just often as on an older machine. It's perennial !
At present time I am working on a new monster machine with space and memory to fly to Mars with and still have supplies to live on for 20 years. Yet still, the "Close failure" inevitably happens no matter which method I choose. Yesterday I ran an unscientific experiment. I worked with the apps I listed in my question initially, rotating opening/closing each app and rotating through the variety of commands covered in your answers and, John, in the Unix discussion board link that you sent to me. It was unscientific because I kept no written tally, nor were my choices of apps chosen strategically. In other words, I was just goofing around ! It seemed to me that each Close command failed at least 50% of the time. No, now that I think of it....more like 75% of the time!
I regularly run maintenance on my machine and I've got something like 4Tb of empty HD space AFTER my system installation and apps all installed. RAM is plentiful too. (God I love a brand new Mac. You really could fly to Mars. I wonder if the Space-X people are aware of this? Hah!)
So, really, I've gone nowhere on this issue. Seems mighty peculiar. It can't be just me!
Please educate me on scoring your answers. This new EE looks totally unlike the old site and I'm not seeing any quick and easy instructions. Am I missing it?
I'd like to award points to you both and close this question....That is, unless you or anyone else has something more to add.
❛[As I wrote a couple of days ago, having been away from EE for a decade or more, I don't understand the new protocol for "scoring" multiple answers or, for that matter, any single answer. In this case you both hit on some points that refreshed my memory on the issue of closing apps on OS X, but nothing new was offered. I would like to give you both partial points for your answers but I don't see any way to do that in new EE. Would you mind telling me how this new scoring system works, then I'll settle the issue and close it.]
Virtually all of the points you guys covered were things that I already knew. No matter which of multiple ways of closing an app in OS X, there remains a loopy sort of chance that the app will not close.
Some points are moot because I've been through several new Macs over the years and this issue happens on a brand new Mac
―and on every version of OS X that I've used from approximately Lion to today's Sierra, ―just often as on an older machine. It's perennial !
At present time I am working on a new monster machine with space and memory to fly to Mars with and still have supplies to live on for 20 years. Yet still, the "Close failure" inevitably happens no matter which method I choose. Yesterday I ran an unscientific experiment. I worked with the apps I listed in my question initially, rotating opening/closing each app and rotating through the variety of commands covered in your answers and, John, in the Unix discussion board link that you sent to me. It was unscientific because I kept no written tally, nor were my choices of apps chosen strategically. In other words, I was just goofing around ! It seemed to me that each Close command failed at least 50% of the time. No, now that I think of it....more like 75% of the time!
I regularly run maintenance on my machine and I've got something like 4Tb of empty HD space AFTER my system installation and apps all installed. RAM is plentiful too. (God I love a brand new Mac. You really could fly to Mars. I wonder if the Space-X people are aware of this? Hah!)
So, really, I've gone nowhere on this issue. Seems mighty peculiar. It can't be just me!
Please educate me on scoring your answers. This new EE looks totally unlike the old site and I'm not seeing any quick and easy instructions. Am I missing it?
I'd like to award points to you both and close this question....That is, unless you or anyone else has something more to add.
You should see a button to the right of each post for Accepted and Assisted. Pick the answers that fit best and then Close.
ASKER
John,
Thanks. OK. But I still don't see a way of splitting the actual points value for Solutions. I don't see a way of allotting how many total points a question should be initially assigned. That feature used to right out there in your face ― to ensure that Experts get their rewards.
Well anyway, OK , I'll go ahead and do my thing on this question. Methinks I'll have to spend some time burrowing down through EE to figure this out. I'm getting old and I'm losing it ( I'm 62 ― I feel like 82, too many of my cultural icons have left the planet. I figure I'm probably next.)
WT
Thanks. OK. But I still don't see a way of splitting the actual points value for Solutions. I don't see a way of allotting how many total points a question should be initially assigned. That feature used to right out there in your face ― to ensure that Experts get their rewards.
Well anyway, OK , I'll go ahead and do my thing on this question. Methinks I'll have to spend some time burrowing down through EE to figure this out. I'm getting old and I'm losing it ( I'm 62 ― I feel like 82, too many of my cultural icons have left the planet. I figure I'm probably next.)
WT
Pick the Accepted and Assisted solutions and the new system will split up the points. I hope that helps.
ASKER
Hey! Who decided that my question was worth a total of 500 points maximum to begin with? I'd personally have assigned it more, as it has been shown by our explorations on this issue that it's a foggy mystery....nobody seems to have a definitive answer for it.
What happened to the second Expert who participated? Doesn't he get a share of the total?
What happened to the second Expert who participated? Doesn't he get a share of the total?
The total is 500 points. You must click on assist to all the experts you intend to get points. You can contact a Moderator if you wish to change it or use this as a learning exercise. We cannot do anything - you need to go to a Moderator.
ASKER
The way to split scores on this new site is less obvious than it was under the old EE site (i.e. like 10 years ago - the time I had a membership). It used to be that the protocols were posted on the site BEFORE and DURING the working out of a Question/Solution. This present protocol held back those instructions until the show was all over.
Besides that - who decided that my question was worth 500 points to begin with? Again, the old site offered an option up front to allot total points myself!
Anyway, live and learn.
Besides that - who decided that my question was worth 500 points to begin with? Again, the old site offered an option up front to allot total points myself!
Anyway, live and learn.
ASKER
I understand from a close friend that finally Windows has gotten good with W 10. He's on Windows 10 too. I've had a look at it and it does seem a major improvement. No blue screens of Death anymore, my friend says. He has no complaints. Vista shook me up and it was fight or flight. I fled!
Thanks, I'll read over those links.
But still, ( I forgot to include this detail in my question, sorry) Command - Q has always got the same results for me. Funny that nobody at Apple has said anything about this, in their forums or elsewhere.
Will get back to you .
WT