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Converting audio to audio and video and get the smallest file size

I have some audio from a radio talk show. my intention is that it's not high fidelity / could even be mono.  I want to get the smallest file size without too much degredation considering it's just people talking.

I am using streaming audio recorder and chose MP3 for the output.

For example, 1 file I have is 2meg and 1 min 30 seconds.  the properties of the file says bitrate 173 bps.  Not sure if that's high / low fidelity.

I'd like to have the smallest size file for audio.... and also, using audio to video converter websites, I get an mp4 that's 2MB also (static picture or black screen would be fine).

What are some things I should know / do to get the smallest files for spoken word audio?

thanks!
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