Pauline Hale
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Can't use Replace fonts because Titllium WebRegular (mac) is called something else on the PC, and is single byte
I had this question after viewing PowerPoint not providing access to all installed fonts within a family.
I created a PowerPoint document on Mac PowerPoint 2011 using the Titillium family. When I opened the document on a PC running PowerPoint 2012, I discovered that Titillium WebRegular (Mac) is not compatible with Titillium Web (PC). I'm trying to clean up the PowerPoint on the PC and embed the fonts. But even though I've changed all the text boxes and template text to PC fonts, the document still says that Titllium WebRegular cannot be embedded. I can't use Replace Fonts because I get the message about single byte vs double byte.
Is there another way to find all the fonts or do I have to start from scratch?
Also can DansDadUK please provide the link to the Titllium X Web family he created?
Thank you!
I created a PowerPoint document on Mac PowerPoint 2011 using the Titillium family. When I opened the document on a PC running PowerPoint 2012, I discovered that Titillium WebRegular (Mac) is not compatible with Titillium Web (PC). I'm trying to clean up the PowerPoint on the PC and embed the fonts. But even though I've changed all the text boxes and template text to PC fonts, the document still says that Titllium WebRegular cannot be embedded. I can't use Replace Fonts because I get the message about single byte vs double byte.
Is there another way to find all the fonts or do I have to start from scratch?
Also can DansDadUK please provide the link to the Titllium X Web family he created?
Thank you!
I've tried to send you a .zip file containing the 11 modified font files, but E-E won't allow the .otf extension, even within a .zip file.
if you send me a message, via the E-E message system, and let me know your email address, I can send them to you directly.
if you send me a message, via the E-E message system, and let me know your email address, I can send them to you directly.
I also have no idea what you mean by "... is single byte...".
All of the Titillium font variants contain over 450 glyphs, which are mapped to nearly 400 different characters.
This is the case with Windows, which uses the standard Platform=3 (= Windows), Encoding=0 (=Unicode BMP UCS-2), Format=4 (=Segment mapping to delta values) sub-table of the cmap table in the font.
I don't know the position with Mac systems - Apple originally used the Format=0 (=Byte encoding table), which is limited to 256 entries, but I doubt that this is still the default position.
All of the Titillium font variants contain over 450 glyphs, which are mapped to nearly 400 different characters.
This is the case with Windows, which uses the standard Platform=3 (= Windows), Encoding=0 (=Unicode BMP UCS-2), Format=4 (=Segment mapping to delta values) sub-table of the cmap table in the font.
I don't know the position with Mac systems - Apple originally used the Format=0 (=Byte encoding table), which is limited to 256 entries, but I doubt that this is still the default position.
PowerPoint doesn't replace double-byte fonts with single-byte fonts because apparently it's afraid some of the characters and glyphs included in the double-byte fonts won't be there. Of course if you've used them, that could be a problem. I personally would like to see some kind of warning that allows people to make that decision on their own and just replace the things, but no such luck. I keep hoping that someday we'll see improvement here.
At any rate, the only way I've been able to reliably replace this type of font is by manually editing the XML -- basically, cracking open the PPTX file and replacing the font strings.
You can replace a double-byte font with another double-byte font, but I don't know that that information will help you here.
You should know, though, that Mac PPT ignores embedded fonts, so even if you could embed the PC font it won't help you on the Mac. (Embeddability is an attribute determined in the font itself. http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm) I wonder if the font has a Panose value and if that is included in the XML, because supposedly more recent versions of PowerPoint will use that when substituting fonts in order to get a closer match. I'm not sure if Mac PPT reads the Panose values or not, though.
Welcome to the world of using a nonstandard font. Sorry I don't have any easy answers for you.
At any rate, the only way I've been able to reliably replace this type of font is by manually editing the XML -- basically, cracking open the PPTX file and replacing the font strings.
You can replace a double-byte font with another double-byte font, but I don't know that that information will help you here.
You should know, though, that Mac PPT ignores embedded fonts, so even if you could embed the PC font it won't help you on the Mac. (Embeddability is an attribute determined in the font itself. http://www.pptfaq.com/FAQ00076_Embedding_fonts.htm) I wonder if the font has a Panose value and if that is included in the XML, because supposedly more recent versions of PowerPoint will use that when substituting fonts in order to get a closer match. I'm not sure if Mac PPT reads the Panose values or not, though.
Welcome to the world of using a nonstandard font. Sorry I don't have any easy answers for you.
I can't respond to the comments about PowerPoint made by Echo_S - not my area of expertise at all.
Regarding the reference to Panose values: it would appear that the Titillium Web fonts have very minimal Panose definitions (in the OS/2 table).
For example, the Titillium Web Bold font contains a Panose value of 0-0-8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.
Compare this (for example) to the Arial Narrow Bold font which contains a value of 2-11-7-6-2-2-2-3-2-4.
Regarding the reference to Panose values: it would appear that the Titillium Web fonts have very minimal Panose definitions (in the OS/2 table).
For example, the Titillium Web Bold font contains a Panose value of 0-0-8-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.
Compare this (for example) to the Arial Narrow Bold font which contains a value of 2-11-7-6-2-2-2-3-2-4.
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The other comments did not solve my problem.
As regards the Titillium X Web set I created by modifying the original Titillium Web fonts, this is only on my local PC, not on the web.
I think that I've still got the modified fonts, so (if I find them) I'll send them to you via the Message mechanism - I assume that your use will be personal, and not for commercial activity (I'm not sure of the licensing position).