Avatar of LockDown32
LockDown32Flag for United States of America

asked on 

4Kn SAS drives

Just trying to get a handle on this and have a couple questions:

1) Everything is going 4Kn?
2) Still SAS over SATA for performance?
3) Why in the world would anyone buy a 512e today?
4) I love Neweggs'  reviews but none of their 4Kn drives have any reviews. Any idea why?
5) Would Seagate be everyone's choice?
Storage

Avatar of undefined
Last Comment
LockDown32
ASKER CERTIFIED SOLUTION
Avatar of David Johnson, CD
David Johnson, CD
Flag of Canada image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
See Pricing Options
Start Free Trial
SOLUTION
Avatar of David
David
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of kevinhsieh
kevinhsieh
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of David
David
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of David
David
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
Avatar of LockDown32
LockDown32
Flag of United States of America image

ASKER

Thanks guys but most of the questions were missed. The specific case I am looking at is server storage behind a RAID controller. Entry level. That rules out SSD because of TRIM. The specific controller is a (Adaptec) 8405.
SOLUTION
Avatar of David
David
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
Avatar of LockDown32
LockDown32
Flag of United States of America image

ASKER

I have yet to see a RAID controller that supports TRIM. If you know of one please advise.
SOLUTION
Avatar of kevinhsieh
kevinhsieh
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of David
David
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of Philip Elder
Philip Elder
Flag of Canada image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
Avatar of LockDown32
LockDown32
Flag of United States of America image

ASKER

The PERC5/6 is not a simple pass through in terms of TRIM. The only "controllers" capable of doing TRIM are the Intel motherboard controllers with the Series 8 chip-set or newer and even then will only work in RAID 0 or 1.  

   Kevin to be honest I did the same thing you did. I used some consumer SSDs in a RAID 5 configuration behind a Adaptec 8405. The two major warning I heard was 1) Sooner or later the IO will come to its knees because TRIM isn't supported but I too, in my limited knowledge of TRIM, figured worst case it would simply be re-writing a bunch of cells. 2) Unless you use the Enterprise SSDs you would hit a problem where loss of power would corrupt the cache. I figured like a battery cache on a RAID controller a good APC battery backup with shutdown would more or less solve that problem. So I even took more of a chance and used consumer SSDs. It has been over a year and no issues. My problem is that doing something that isn't recommend, in a server no less, kind of bothers me. I figure the safer bet would by going back to platters. Hence the question.

   Thanks Phillip. You have been the only one to answer my questions :) #3 is still bothering me. I understand application and OS compatibility between 512n and 4Kn buy why bother with 512e? What not just stick with 512n?
SOLUTION
Avatar of kevinhsieh
kevinhsieh
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of Philip Elder
Philip Elder
Flag of Canada image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
Avatar of LockDown32
LockDown32
Flag of United States of America image

ASKER

A battery on the RAID controller isn't really related in any way to the cache on any drice SSD or otherwise. All of these "Power Loss Capacitors" and "RAID Battery Cache Backups" are insurance and as in real life you can easily purchase too

   We are looping back around to the original question. "Enterprise" SSDs  and SAS SSDs are way to expensive for entry level servers. 15K RPM SAS drives lack capacity. I put consumer SSDs in a small server and have been very impressed so far but know that I am doing something that is not generally a good idea hence the move back to platters. It just seems like the 3.5" 7200RPM SAS drives make the most sense. Can't see going SATA.

   That is interesting about the 512e. Didn't see how it benefited the end user. Guess it doesn't :)
SOLUTION
Avatar of Philip Elder
Philip Elder
Flag of Canada image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
SOLUTION
Avatar of David
David
Flag of United States of America image

Blurred text
THIS SOLUTION IS ONLY AVAILABLE TO MEMBERS.
View this solution by signing up for a free trial.
Members can start a 7-Day free trial and enjoy unlimited access to the platform.
Avatar of LockDown32
LockDown32
Flag of United States of America image

ASKER

Thanks guys. Very informative information.
Storage
Storage

Computer data storage, often called storage or memory, is a technology consisting of computer components and recording media used to retain digital data. In addition to local storage devices like CD and DVD readers, hard drives and flash drives, solid state drives can hold enormous amounts of data in a very small device. Cloud services and other new forms of remote storage also add to the capacity of devices and their ability to access more data without building additional data storage into a device.

45K
Questions
--
Followers
--
Top Experts
Get a personalized solution from industry experts
Ask the experts
Read over 600 more reviews

TRUSTED BY

IBM logoIntel logoMicrosoft logoUbisoft logoSAP logo
Qualcomm logoCitrix Systems logoWorkday logoErnst & Young logo
High performer badgeUsers love us badge
LinkedIn logoFacebook logoX logoInstagram logoTikTok logoYouTube logo