Windows 10 quick launch icons WAY TOO BIG on my new computer.

rberke
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I have a new Lenovo t460p computer which is 5 times faster than my old t500.

I love it except for one thing:  The quick launch icons are WAY TOO BIG, even after I set the quick launch to View > "Small Icons" (they were even bigger before that).  

I know that quick launch is not supported by Microsoft anymore, but I happen to love its functionality, so please help me find a solution.

I have attached three screen shots that demonstrate the problem.  All screen shots were taken when a laptop was connected to my Samsung 2220wm.  (the t500 used a VGA connection, and the t460p used a hdmi to VGA converter.

Does anybody have any ideas?
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RaminTechnical Advisor
Commented:
Right click on the taskbar and click on properties and select  Use Small Icons from the taskbar tab.

Try recommended display resolution by Windows.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)
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I suspect the resolution of the T500 is lower than the prior machine. That would cause what you see. Have you tried Windows 20 scaling?
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Sometimes scaling in win10 is just broken and behavior is odd. Please do a test with scaling set to 100%
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rberkeConsultant
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nobus:  I am at home right now, so I can't test the office Samsung 2220wn. But, I can already see that your tip helps quite a bit.  The t460p LED already looks much better.

To the other experts:, yes the new T460p has a much high resolution lid LED screen than the T500.  But a higher lid LED resolution typically makes many text functions become tiny. In fact, when no external monitor is attached and 100% scaling is used my t460p text is so tiny that the word and excel are almost unusable.  I have to use the "recommend" scaling of 200%.    

It is hard to understand: when the onboard LED is closed why should its resolution affect an external monitor. Perhaps I need to scale to 100% when laptop is closed and 200% when laptop is open.

I will test more when I get into the office and am next to the 2220nw monitor.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)
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the new T460p has a much high resolution lid LED screen than the T500.  .....  I have to use the "recommend" scaling of 200%.    

Try 125% or 150%.  200% is probably what is causing your issue. I use 125% on my high resolution ThinkPad X1 and that works fine overall. 150% is too big.
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Also some icons make the bar double height. I remove offending icons (make them hidden).
rberkeConsultant
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I am at the office now, and discovered I have made no progress.  The setting discussed so far have no affect on the quick launch size.

Here are the details.

1) I started with both t460p screen and 2220nw monitor showing and "duplicate these displays". The quick launch is not affected by either scaling or "small/large taskbar buttons".  Every combination of those two settings left the quick launch remained at exactly 2.2 inches on t460p.  

("Duplicate these displays" causes windows 10 to format the screen to fit the small t460p screen, then "duplicate" that layout on the larger monitor. A 145% upscale caused the 2220hw to have a 3.2 inches wide quick launch).

2)  When I closed the laptop lid Windows 10 started ignoring the closed t460 screen. W10 reformatted & rearranged the desktop to fit the 2220nw. So the quick launch jumped to 4.2 inches which is HUGE.  It still is not affected  by the 100% to 225% scaling values or small taskbar buttons.


Any other ideas?
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That may be a limitation of Quick Launch which is not part of Windows 10. Try using the regular task bar and Start Button to see if that works.
RaminTechnical Advisor
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I think it can be a mismatched / old  Display Driver issue.
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The task bar/start buttons do not give me the functionality I like.  

this computer is only a half year old, and I used Lenovo Companion to update the video BIOS yesterday.  No improvement.

Since quick launch is not supported, I may be out of luck.
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Yes . I would try removing Quick Launch and use Desktop icons. When you said it was 2 inches high, I really started to think major compatibility issue
RaminTechnical Advisor
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Did this problem happen lately or it was from the beginning of Windows installation.
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Quick Launch is not part of Windows 10.
rberkeConsultant

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I meant to say  2.2 inches WIDE, not high.  But, it is irrelevant because I am giving up on Quick Launch, at least until I buy a new laptop that does NOT HAVE super high resolution (that is the real source of the problem)  Also, the problem was obvious when I first started using the computer 1/2 year ago.  I just now got around to addressing the problem.

It is clear that has Microsoft nearly ignored quick launch starting in windows 7, even though they never actually removed it.

Since then, they have added some really ambitious features to Windows, for instance a simple scaling feature so that changing one number from 100% to 125% cleanly increases everything a little bit.  Sound simple but I am sure a ton of work went into making that feature work for a wide variety of monitors from old clunkers to modern super high resolutions.
They simple didn't bother to include Quick Launch as part of that effort.  

Nonetheless, this left me in quandary because the QL icons are waaaay too large to suit my tastes.  So, I changed all of my shortcut properties from << c:\myfullpath >>  to << explorer  c:\myfullpath >>, then dragged them from the quicklaunch folder onto the taskbar.  The resulting taskbar isn't nearly as nice as the quick launch, but it comes close.   The main thing I dislike is that the icons have way tooo much blank space around them.  The second thing I miss is the ability to hide another two dozen quick launch icons under the chevron, but I can simulate that by creating a Chevron icon, and assigning it to a shortcut with << explorer  c:\chevron folder >> which I will pin to the taskbar.

Ugly solution, but good enough for now.

I'll close the question and assign points as best I can.
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rberkeConsultant

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Start menu, Jump lists and pinning help some, but I will greatly miss Quick Launch.
RaminTechnical Advisor

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Thanks,
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Thanks. I do understand, but I don't think we will ever see it back.
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Scaling has its problems. Some effects will only occur after logging off and on again. Others will only vanish after logging off and on again after you change the scaling settings. This is buggy behavior and should be reported to microsoft. There is no change in the handling (or even availability) of the quick launch toolbar in windows 10, just a change in scaling techniques.
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My following "totally ignored" comment is slightly incorrect. See details here.
mcKnife:  quick launch is totally ignored by the windows 10 scaling function.  So any changes in scaling techniques have no affect on quick launch,

Ignoring quick launch is almost certainly by design rather than a bug, so I will not bother reporting it to Microsoft.  

In fact, I would bet that quick launch icons are always large an any laptop that has a super high resolution monitor even under windows 7.  But that is a bet I will never test because it is too much of a bother.

Thanks again to everybody for trying to help.
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"quick launch is totally ignored by the windows 10 scaling function" - no, it is not. I can show you several screenshots with different quick launch icon sizes at different scaling levels, if you like, done on my own 1709 machine.
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I stand corrected.  It turns out the quick launch DOES change, but only after I sign out and sign back in.   And, yes I know you advised me about that issue, but I wasn't patient enough to follow that advice.

Crud  !!! That means I need to retest all of the other things that we tried.  I don't have time for the that right now, but I will post back sometime soon.

Thanks very much for the pointer.

Bob
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Further testing shows that scaling DOES change the quick launch for the laptop's built in LED screen.  

but scaling DOES NOT affect the external monitor's quick launch.  the quick launch for 9 icons is 2.6 inches wide at both 100% and 175%, even after carefully signing out before each measurement is taken.  (vs about 15 icons per 2.6 inches on my old T500).


It is unlikely that Microsoft will consider this a bug.  And, for all I know it might still be a driver issue because I don't think the Lenovo drivers I reinstalled were specifically for the Samsung 2220nw.   The only thing I am sure of is that I sick to death of spending time on this problem, so I will leave it closed, and the quick launch is now dead to me (at least on the t460p).
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Be assured, that is not the only problem win10 has with scaling. It remains work in progress.
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To all exports: this summary is for my own purposes. I am not expecting any response from you.

Testing in 2017-11-30 showed that scaling DOES change the quick launch icon size on the laptop's built in LED screen.  
But scaling DOES NOT affect the external monitor's quick launch.
And sometimes the change only appears after I sign out and sign back in.

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