Win 10 Browsemaster Problem with NET VIEW Command

I have a small Local Workgroup with 12 to 15 Workstations.  Mixed OS about half running Win 10 Pro 1709 and the other half running WIN 7 Pro.  When a WIN 10 machine is the Browse Master I can only run the NET VIEW command from that machine.  All other machines both WIN 7 and WIN 10 get various errors when running NET VIEW as Administrator.  Errors sometimes say Service not started or Network path not found.  When a Win 7 machine is the Browse Master there is no problem and the NET View command works on all machines.  Please advise
Joe AbruzzoCEOAsked:
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I have only two computers here. Both Windows 10 Pro V1708 16299.98.  The service "Computer Browser" (which maintains the list of computers) is Running on both computers and NET VIEW works on both without issue.

When you say "Service not started", at that instant, is the computer browser service stopped?

Network path not found is about mapping drives (not necessarily the browser service).   What numerical error do you get when you type  net use x: \\computer \folder ?

Are some computer set to Home Group?   None should be using Home Group is a system of 15 computers.

Finally for 15 computers, you should really consider a small Server. This is a very large workgroup.
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Joe AbruzzoCEOAuthor Commented:
Actually I have the Browser Service disabled on all machines except 2.one is WIN 7 and one is Win 10.  I do this so if some users lockup their machines this could effect the Browser Service so yes the Browser Service is stopped on all machines except the two I mentioned.  All Machines are not members of a Home Group.  I will have to see what error I get with the NET USE X command.  I am not at the location now.
FYI: when I have all WIN 7 Machines and had all but 2 machines with Browser Service Disabled there was no problem.  Do you think I should try enabling the service on more machines?  Thanks for your suggestions.
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Joe AbruzzoCEOAuthor Commented:
I should note that when I open network window I do see all machines and can connect to all shares so the network is functioning just I can not use the NET VIEW command when a WIN 10 machine is the Master Browser.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Can you show how you know one machine is always the Master Browser. That is an election amongst machines and you are not given this information.

Then having shown how the given machine is Master Browser, run NET VIEW and give as a screen shot of the message.

Thanks.
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Joe AbruzzoCEOAuthor Commented:
Several ways but the best is using a utility called Lanscan.  I have attached for your review   Looks like it is not allowed even though it is zipped.  You can get it online from Scottie's Tech Service, great tool
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Joe AbruzzoCEOAuthor Commented:
Here is a Screen Shot  from WIN 10 Master Browser and Screen Shot from another Workstation with Failed Net View Command.  Both Workstations have Computer Browser Service on
MBrowser-WIN-10-WS.PNG
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Thanks. I have downloaded and will try it on a spare machine.

Right now I have 3 Windows 10 machines here: 2 Windows 10 Pro 64-bit V1709 16299.98 and 1 machine beyond that on an insider build.

All three machines work well, computer browser service is running on all three, NET VIEW works on all three, and NET USE (File Mapping) works on all three.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
So pretty much as I thought.

My two production computers were already running (and fine).

I started up my spare, got it running to answer your question above (V1709 Build 17046.1000).  

I installed Lanscan on it; NET VIEW is running fine; File Mapping is fine (that is how I got the lanscan zip file onto it); and the Computer Browser service is running. All is well.

EXCEPT.

All of a sudden the NEW machine in the WORKGROUP is the Master Browser. I do not believe it. Lanscan is just telling me the computer I run it on is master browser.

Windows makes an election (and does not inform the user).

So I do not think your troubles above are in any way related to Master Browser. That is some Windows uses and not really a user tool.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
The spare is still running down in the basement.

I just ran Lanscan on my Windows 10 desktop and now Lanscan says the Desktop is the Master.

Lanscan apparently just says the computer you have is Master.
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Joe AbruzzoCEOAuthor Commented:
I think you are not correct with Lanscan.  So to prove it out run the nbtstat -a Computer name and you will see which machine is the master Browser See my screen shot  Run Command as administrator
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I ran it as Administrator and both computers came back as Master Browser. I ran it like your screen shot.

So the results are simply not credible.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
And I think, more to the point, whatever Lanscan says, that has nothing to do with NET VIEW or your errors.
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Qlemo"Batchelor", Developer and EE Topic AdvisorCommented:
As John said, Master Browser is an election process. Newer OS usually wins over older, and that is not always a good thing.
If it works well with W7, you should only choose two W7 machines which run most likely all the time as browser. Machines going on and off are a bad choice.

I also agree that 15 machines are worth a server ;-). A server OS trumps all clients, at least as long as the versions are not too much apart. It also runs 24/7 or at least most of the time. And you can set up WINS, which removes the need for a browser sevice and makes connecting via NetBIOS/SMB much faster (if you cannot use DNS directly).
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Qlemo and I are on the same page.

Newer OS usually wins over older  <-- Newer, and all equal OS throw the election process for a loop if started at different times.

... makes connecting via NetBIOS/SMB much faster (if you cannot use DNS directly).   <-- Within two years now, BIOS and so NetBIOS will be gone (Intel plan) so best to forget Master Browser altogether.
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Joe AbruzzoCEOAuthor Commented:
Thank you for your insight on this problem.  You solution is correct
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You are very welcome and I was happy to help.
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Qlemo"Batchelor", Developer and EE Topic AdvisorCommented:
The accepted comment does not contain anything allowing to solve anything. Which one(s) did you really want to select?
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