How to add two new hardrives in to my VMware Envireonment

First of all let me say that I am new at the PERC.

I have a PowerEdge r720 which currently have 5 900GB hard drive installed.

I've also have an ESXi vers 5.1 and a VMware vSphere Client vers 5.5.

If I'm correct, I have one VD with a total of 1675.50 GB of total storage.  Now sure why it's only reading 1675,50 GB, but I'm sure that can be explained.

However, I want to add two new hard drives and am not sure how to make it available to my VMware Environment.

I've attached a screen print of my current PERC setup.PERC-H710.png
Thanks in advance for all your help.
NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAsked:
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
It's actually got nothing to do with VMware ESXi/vSphere. the first modification, that's hardware and it's rather painful with ESXi installed, because you will have to use and install OSMA.

It requires a function of the RAID card to be able to add new disks into the existing RAID set.

and it requires a few process, the first is to

1. Add disks to virtual disk, and grow it, which then requires the rebuilding of the current array (virtual disk).
2. sometimes on HPE servers the logical disk needs to be expanded.
3. In ESXi the VMFS datastore needs to be expanded....

I assume it's the VMFS Datastore in ESXi you want to expand ?

because there could be a problem ahead here....

where did you install ESXi ? does it also share this 1675.50 GB disk ?
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
I'm not sure, it was installed by a 3rd party vender whom we've since split on bad terms.

Is there a way to find out?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
you can look at the current properties of the datastore ? and provide a screenshot here
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
And yes it is the VMFS Data istore in the ESXi I would like to expand.
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
Not sure if this is what you need, but let me know.DataStore.png
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Not quite, you need to select the datastore, and click it's Properties, in Storage view.
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
How about this?

DataStore.png
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
that looks good, this is where later you will come back to and select INCREASE to increase the size of the datastore, I assume that's what you want to increase?

and it does not look like that ESXi 5.1 is installed on this RAID, so I assume it must be installed on ESXi SD card, or flash drive in the server.

BUT to do this you will have to use OSMA, or install OSMA on ESXi 5.1. Once you have this installed you will be able to change the current configuration of the RAID, and add thew new disks.

Make sure you have full backups of ALL the VMs on the datastore, disks fail, when high intensive operations including RAID rebuild have been triggered, also humans make mistakes.

A less risky version would just create a new VD, using two disks of RAID1, and this would give you a datastore2.

I wrote an article here for 5.0

HOW TO: Use Dell OpenManage Server Administrator to Create and Manage a Virtual Disk (RAID Array) on a Dell PowerEdge Server with VMware vSphere 5.0, ESXi 5.0 installed.

it's exactly the same, but you need the 5.1 OSMA software.
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andyalderSaggar maker's framemakerCommented:
Online capacity expansion is not available for RAID 10 except for PERC 9xx controllers (and presumably later ones once they make them). Can't add disks to a RAID 10 with your PERC H710.

Backup/restore or add a second data store are the only valid options.
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
I back up and replicate the VM"s to our 2nd location.

Do I need to do any additional backup?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Make sure you do have full backups...
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
Full Backup of the Entire r720 Server?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Virtual Machines!
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
would I need to do it right before I perform the procedure or can it be done like a day before.

Thde full backup of all VM's that is?
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andyalderSaggar maker's framemakerCommented:
Since you cannot perform the procedure when to backup is moot. If you don't believe me then here's a Dell employee saying so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbQFJoMm9Ns&feature=youtu.be&t=39
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
You really want to make sure you have final backups of ALL VMs powered OFF and then take the host server down.
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
OK!  Thanks.  I will.

But I can install the OMSA prior to the backup?
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andyalderSaggar maker's framemakerCommented:
Dell support say it can't be done with that controller too.
http://en.community.dell.com/support-forums/servers/f/906/t/19983926
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
You can install OSMA prior to backup will give you the ability to delete and create VDs
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andyalderSaggar maker's framemakerCommented:
Delete and create yes but unfortunately not extend a RAID 10 with that controller,
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
I will try to install the OSMA on tomorrow.  Will you be available?

I tried to install it before, but wasn't successful.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
it should really be installed WITH the initial OS installation (ESXi) and you will also need to be using the DELL OEM version of ESXi.

It can be a PITA!
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
I see a cross manage dell listed in the Data Store propteries.

Would that be it.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
i'm sorry I'm confused here?
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Seth SimmonsSr. Systems AdministratorCommented:
Now sure why it's only reading 1675,50 GB, but I'm sure that can be explained.

that's because raid 10 is a mirrored raid 0
you have 50% overhead so half your drives are the mirror so the 1.675gb usable space is correct
if it was raid 5, with those 4 drives you would have about 2.4tb with the 4th disk as parity...not recommending you do that, but just to explain the space usage at the raid level

you could use those other 2 drives to achieve 2.4tb at the raid 10 level, but as was mentioned, you will need to backup, destroy/create new virtual disk and restore everything

I've also have an ESXi vers 5.1 and a VMware vSphere Client vers 5.5.

ESXi 5.1 has been out of support for over a year.  should consider installing a newer, supported version as part of this process since you will need to rebuild the box anyway to use the other 2 disks for a larger virtual disk.  also worth making sure firmware and bios (F10 during post for life cycle controller) are updated.  here is the download for the ESXi 6 update 3 dell ISO released last week

need to spend some time and think through all the things that are needed and plan accordingly
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
Seth,

The ESXi 6 update 3, is this something that needs to purchased?

The Firmware and Bios; I can find that on the dell site like with any other server correct?
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
Andrew Hancock,

I spoke with Veeam Backup & Replication Support on yesterday, they said I didn't need a full backup. Just as long as I have an encrement of the backup, it can be restored.  However, there are 4 vm's that are not being backed up that I will make sure I do before going forward.

However, I was also told by Veeam Backup Support that a full backup of the VM's cannot be done while the VM's powered off.

I'm confused.

Also, when I mentioned early about the Open Manage Server.
I saw something under the data store on the bottom that said OpenManage.  Could that be the OMSA?
OpenManage.png
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
You will need new licenses for 6.x.

It could be the OSMA files needed to install, but without knowing the full filenames, I would be guessing.

As for Backup, we still standby Full Backups are required, or whatever your are comfortable with, what you are doing is DESTROYING your environment, if you are NOT COMFORTABLE with BACKUP and RESTORE

which effectively is a DR RESTORE! and just add a new datastore using two disks, RAID 1 etc datastore to store VMs.

STOP NOW!
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
OK! But can the Full Backup Be Done with the VM's powered off, because I can run a full Backup next Friday Evening and then start my project.  Just so much to take in.

In what order should I be doing this backup?

1st ESXi
2nd OSMA
3rd VMware
4th Restore VM

Just trying to be prepared.
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
Sorry!

I meant in what order should I be doing the upgrade?


 1st ESXi
 2nd OSMA
 3rd VMware
 4th Restore VM

Just trying to be prepared.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
I think the best option is

1. Backup all VMs correctly, as if this was a DR exercise, (e.g. restore to bare metal).

2. Destroy existing RAID set, and re-create new virtual disk.

3. Install a new supported OEM ESXi version from Dell, either 5.5 or 6.0/6.5 depending upon licenses.

4. Install OSMA

5. Restore VMs
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
OK,  Thanks.  

I will be upgrading to the 6.5.

At my current configuration, can I create a new datastore with the extra hard drives extending the current array?

The upgrade seems like it may take a weekend to do.
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
At my current configuration, can I create a new datastore with the extra hard drives extending the current array?

No. You cannot extend current datastore, but you could create a new datastore. Hardware RAID controller does not allow expansion, see Andy's comment further up.
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
I've gotten all I need and am planning on performing the upgrade to my system this coming Friday.

I will let you all know how it went.  

Thanks for all the input.

I will let you know how it all went on this coming Monday (Tuesday if my company gives us off this coming Monday).
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Good Luck, and go slow....do not rush
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NJ-EWhiteIT CoordinatorAuthor Commented:
Not sure if anybody is up, but I really need assistance with restoring my vm's back on to my ESXi
 server
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
It's a little bit off topic, and you would be better posting a new question, which would get more experts attention, than buried away in this thread!
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andyalderSaggar maker's framemakerCommented:
OSMA?
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
Global Find and Replace OSMA with OMSA, my "brain fart!" and checking if anyone is paying attention!
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andyalderSaggar maker's framemakerCommented:
Brian farts a lot :)
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