# Importing a large fixed length .txt file into SQL Server

I have another question   here     open explaining the situation.

That question is asking how to transfer this table directly to SQL server using ms Access 2013.  At this point there has been no resolution so I am going to asking the question specific to SQL Server.

How can I import this very large, fixed length field .txt file directly into a SQL Server table.

This is the layout of the table:

CREATE TABLE [dbo].[SQCS_CostFile_Import](
[ID] [int] IDENTITY(1,1) NOT NULL,
[CostName] [nvarchar](30) NULL,
[MuniCode] [nvarchar](4) NULL,
[LotBlock] [nvarchar](17) NULL,
[TaxType] [nvarchar](1) NULL,
[MuniCode02] [nvarchar](4) NULL,
[ControlNumber] [nvarchar](7) NULL,
[TaxType02] [nvarchar](1) NULL,
[CostDetail01_100] [ntext] NULL,
[GRBNumnber] [nvarchar](30) NULL,
[GDNumber] [nvarchar](30) NULL,
[Remarks] [nvarchar](76) NULL,
[upsize_ts] [timestamp] NULL,
CONSTRAINT [aaaaaSQCS_CostFile_Import_PK] PRIMARY KEY NONCLUSTERED
(
[ID] ASC
)WITH (PAD_INDEX = OFF, STATISTICS_NORECOMPUTE = OFF, IGNORE_DUP_KEY = OFF, ALLOW_ROW_LOCKS = ON, ALLOW_PAGE_LOCKS = ON) ON [PRIMARY]
) ON [PRIMARY] TEXTIMAGE_ON [PRIMARY]


And this is the layout of each record in the .txt file
Col  Lgth
Cost Name               1   30      ShortText
MuniCode               31  4       ShortText
LotBlock                  35  17     ShortText
TaxType                  52  1       ShortText
MuniCode02          54   4      ShortText
ControlNumber    57    7     ShortText
TaxType02             64   1      ShortText
CostDetail              65   14000          Long Text
GRBNumber    14065  30     ShortText
GDNumber      14095  30      SHortText
Remarks          14125   75      ShortText

Can someone explain how to  import the file 'I:\My Documents\Access_Databases\JordanDelinq\TestDirectory\CostSheet\TQCSFILE.txt' into the SQL table?

This is someting that will have to be done more than once so it would be best if everything needed was contained in a Stored Procedure.
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Mark Wills

8/22/2022 - Mon
Ryan Chong

How can I import this very large, fixed length field .txt file directly into a SQL Server table.

try refer to:

Import Bulk Data by Using BULK INSERT or OPENROWSET(BULK...) (SQL Server)
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/import-export/import-bulk-data-by-using-bulk-insert-or-openrowset-bulk-sql-server

you probably can create a stored procedure at MS SQL end to include BULK INSERT or OPENROWSET command, then let Access to call that stored procedure.
Mark Wills

Well, that layout is very much like a format file.

Can use BCP with a format file to import.  BCP is a SQL Server utility. See https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/tools/bcp-utility

Or, use openrowset(bulk, 'textfilename' , format='formatfilename')

Will be back in a few minutes to show how....
Mark Wills

Have built a non-xml format file for you
14.0
11
1       SQLCHAR       0       1         ""        1    CostName        ""
2       SQLCHAR       0       31        ""        2    MiniCode        ""
3       SQLCHAR       0       35        ""        3    LotBlock        ""
4       SQLCHAR       0       52        ""        4    TaxType         ""
5       SQLCHAR       0       54        ""        5    MiniCode02      ""
6       SQLCHAR       0       57        ""        6    ControlNumber   ""
7       SQLCHAR       0       64        ""        7    TaxType02       ""
8       SQLCHAR       0       65        ""        8    CostDetail      ""
9       SQLCHAR       0       14065     ""        9    GRBNumber       ""
10      SQLCHAR       0       14095     ""        10   GDNNumber       ""
11      SQLCHAR       0       14125     "\r\n"    11   Remarks         ""


If we can grab some test data would be very good.

But first, we will try from sql server / SSMS to see the data

So, save the format file - as a txt file - in a directory readily available to your SQL Server. For me, I have it in c:\mrw\test\ee\SQCS_CostFile_Import.txt

Then in a new query window we will try to select :
select * FROM OPENROWSET( BULK 'I:\My Documents\Access_Databases\JordanDelinq\TestDirectory\CostSheet\TQCSFILE.txt',FORMATFILE = 'c:\mrw\test\ee\SQCS_CostFile_Import.txt') as a

Let us know how you go, and also, that test data...
Your help has saved me hundreds of hours of internet surfing.
fblack61
mlcktmguy

Thank you Mark:  I'm trying to implement your suggestion

I first used notepad to create "I:\My Documents\Access_Databases\JordanDelinq\TestDirectory\SQLImportFormatFiles\SQCS_CostFile_Import.txt" by cutting and pasting the format you created.  The contents of the file are:
14.0
11
1       SQLCHAR       0       1         ""        1    CostName        ""
2       SQLCHAR       0       31        ""        2    MiniCode        ""
3       SQLCHAR       0       35        ""        3    LotBlock        ""
4       SQLCHAR       0       52        ""        4    TaxType         ""
5       SQLCHAR       0       54        ""        5    MiniCode02      ""
6       SQLCHAR       0       57        ""        6    ControlNumber   ""
7       SQLCHAR       0       64        ""        7    TaxType02       ""
8       SQLCHAR       0       65        ""        8    CostDetail      ""
9       SQLCHAR       0       14065     ""        9    GRBNumber       ""
10      SQLCHAR       0       14095     ""        10   GDNNumber       ""
11      SQLCHAR       0       14125     "\r\n"    11   Remarks         ""


Within SSMS in a new query window I modified your  command to look like this:

select * FROM OPENROWSET( BULK 'I:\My Documents\Access_Databases\JordanDelinq\TestDirectory\CostSheet\TQCSFILE.txt',FORMATFILE = 'I:\My Documents\Access_Databases\JordanDelinq\TestDirectory\SQLImportFormatFiles\SQCS_CostFile_Import.txt') as a


When I tried to execute the command I got an Error:
Msg 4820, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Cannot bulk load. Unknown version of format file "I:\My Documents\Access_Databases\JordanDelinq\TestDirectory\SQLImportFormatFiles\SQCS_CostFile_Import.txt".

Seems promising because SQL is  trying to read the format file.  Can you spot anything I'm doing wrong?
Mark Wills

Not you, but me....  the very top left of the format file has a 14.0 and probably should be 10.0

The actual content is still the same, just the Version Number needs to be edited and change the 4 to 0

See : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sql/relational-databases/import-export/non-xml-format-files-sql-server

mlcktmguy

Mark no  problem I appreciate your help.

I changed the 14.0 to 12.0, the file imported and showed on the screen but the data wasn't pulled correctly, as in the respective date wasn't in the correct columns.

I went back to the link you had supplied about creating the import formats and noticed that the 4th column in the spec was the field length not the starting position of the field.

I changed the import spec to look like this:

12.0
11
1       SQLCHAR       0       30        ""        1    CostName        ""
2       SQLCHAR       0       4         ""        2    MiniCode        ""
3       SQLCHAR       0       17        ""        3    LotBlock        ""
4       SQLCHAR       0       1         ""        4    TaxType         ""
5       SQLCHAR       0       4         ""        5    MiniCode02      ""
6       SQLCHAR       0       7         ""        6    ControlNumber   ""
7       SQLCHAR       0       1         ""        7    TaxType02       ""
8       SQLCHAR       0       14000     ""        8    CostDetail      ""
9       SQLCHAR       0       30        ""        9    GRBNumber       ""
10      SQLCHAR       0       30        ""        10   GDNNumber       ""
11      SQLCHAR       0       75        "\r\n"    11   Remarks         ""


I thought that would solve it but when I executed the select again I got errors

Msg 4863, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Bulk load data conversion error (truncation) for row 1, column 11 (Remarks).
Msg 4863, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Bulk load data conversion error (truncation) for row 2, column 11 (Remarks).
Msg 4863, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Bulk load data conversion error (truncation) for row 3, column 11 (Remarks).
Msg 4863, Level 16, State 1, Line 1
Bulk load data conversion error (truncation) for row 4, column 11 (Remarks).

Eventually it canceled after 10 of these errors.  The field lengths in my spec match the field lengths in the old import spec.  Any idea what I did wrong?
Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than $4 a week. Unlimited question asking, solutions, articles and more. Mark Wills A little bit of sample data ? Let me do the heavy lifting of proving it will work - it is what I do :) Ryan Chong Bulk load data conversion error (truncation) for row 1, column 11 (Remarks). check your target table's column 11, make sure its field size is enough for the insertion. ASKER mlcktmguy Mark I really don't know a proper way to truncate this file. I pulled it up in the editor and deleted records from the bottom. Here's a short version, only a few records. TQCSFILE_Short.txt Experts Exchange is like having an extremely knowledgeable team sitting and waiting for your call. Couldn't do my job half as well as I do without it! James Murphy ASKER mlcktmguy Ryan, at this point there is no target table. This is purely a select. Once we get this step worked out I will need to know how to get the data to the target table though. Mark Wills Remarks in your table definition says [Remarks] [nvarchar](76) NULL, And apologies about start position v length - deleted the wrong column in my macro ... completely my bad. ASKER mlcktmguy Thanks, I changed the definition in the import spec to 76 but got the same error. 12.0 11 1 SQLCHAR 0 30 "" 1 CostName "" 2 SQLCHAR 0 4 "" 2 MiniCode "" 3 SQLCHAR 0 17 "" 3 LotBlock "" 4 SQLCHAR 0 1 "" 4 TaxType "" 5 SQLCHAR 0 4 "" 5 MiniCode02 "" 6 SQLCHAR 0 7 "" 6 ControlNumber "" 7 SQLCHAR 0 1 "" 7 TaxType02 "" 8 SQLCHAR 0 14000 "" 8 CostDetail "" 9 SQLCHAR 0 30 "" 9 GRBNumber "" 10 SQLCHAR 0 30 "" 10 GDNNumber "" 11 SQLCHAR 0 76 "\r\n" 11 Remarks ""  Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than$4 a week.
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Mark Wills

Yep, me too.

The format file is clearly wrong. I can 'trick' into giving me some data, but then GRBNumber and GDNNumber appear as :
  TTTTTTT JOSEPH & CATHERINE  	  ,000826-C-326         1000800
XXXXXXXXXXX, FREDERICK      	  ,000826-C-344         1000800


GDNNumber of '000826-C-326         1000800' doesnt look right - or does it ? Looks more like the start of next row.

The earlier columns with minicode and minicode2 of 0008  and taxtype and taxtype2 of 1 look good, so I am thinking it is that costdetail, not the remarks.
mlcktmguy

Mark, since this table is small I can import it into Acess using the access Import spec.  This is how the fields parsed when I did that:
Mark Wills

by changing costdetail to 700 and remarks to 10000 it will read the file

CostName	MiniCode	LotBlock	TaxType	MiniCode02	ControlNumber	TaxType02	CostDetail	GRBNumber	GDNNumber	Remarks
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mlcktmguy

I am really  confused now.  I was doubting that my import spec was correct so I went on another computer in the office that imported the entire original 'short' version of the cost file that I used in my original testing.  With the smaller file I was able to import the entire file directly into the SQL table from within Access, using the Access Import spec.  This is how the fields parsed out.

This was just from
DoCmd.TransferText acImportFixed, _
passedImportSpec, _
passedImportTable, _
passedImportFIle, _
False

passedImportFIle – is the complete path, including the file name, to the .txt file to be imported
PassedImportTable – is the linked SQL Server table linked where the imported data will go
passedImportSpec – Name of the Import Spec for the table being imported
passedClearFileBeforeImporting -= Boolean flag.  If yes, the SQL table is cleared of data before the import

no other data manipulation took place.  So I think the import spec and field lengths are correct but something is definitely throwing off SQL Server
Mark Wills

is it possible to have values of '1' for GRBNumber and '2' for GDNNumber and 'remarks' for remarks in your test data ?

We can then align to those.

Or could be GRB and GDN columns not actually exported. NULLs might terminate depending on how you export.

I can get to 13900 for cost length, but at 14000 it then starts to 'eat into' the next row.
Mark Wills

Given that screen dump, we are missing the last three columns from the txt data file you provided.....

I have done a hex dump on the file and cannot see those three columns.

Can we get that 'original' test file ?

Or you try the select openrowset(bulk...) on that 'original' test file.

You can make 'remarks' as long as you want. It is actually terminated by CR LF so has no fixed length per se.
Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than $4 a week. Unlimited question asking, solutions, articles and more. ASKER mlcktmguy I tried but I can't even attach the 'small' original file, it is too large. That's why I tried a manually truncated version for you. I did try openrowset(bulk with the original smaller file and I get same Column 11 (Remarks) error. Mark Wills Make remarks 10000 in the format file - it is terminated by cr lf anyway so will only consume the characters needed. It is a bit strange because I only see ZERO's - even in the hex dump. Maybe dropbox or something ? ASKER mlcktmguy Mark, I sent you a message with an attachment. Let me know if it helps. All of life is about relationships, and EE has made a viirtual community a real community. It lifts everyone's boat William Peck Mark Wills Well, it is being terminated at 14065. Must have NULLs in there - anyway to eliminate NULL values in your export options ? Or, we connect directly to your Access tables and pull the data in. Mark Wills I assume you are exporting directly from a table ? If so, so what about creating a query ? that way we can intervene with and change the SQL for columns suspected (or known) to have NULL values e.g. SELECT Nz(GRBNumber, " ") As GRBNumber, Nz(GDNNumber," ") As GDNNumber etc.... Then Export that query to text file Have a read of : https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Export-data-to-a-text-file-f72dfc38-a8a0-4c5b-8c2c-bf2950814140 And take note of the very last item.... "Null values Check the source ... correct the source, and then try exporting again." Easiest way is a query me thinks.... ASKER mlcktmguy Thanks Mark, I really appreciate you help on this. 1. I cannot use Access to handle anything this large. My initial conversion used Access to import the first, much smaller, set of txt files the client gave me. Everything worked perfectly. The client recently supplied me with a full set of conversion files. When I ran the full set into my MS Access logic it exploded, even though I was only using Access purely as a transfer method with no data manipulation at all. A simple DoCmd.TransferText acImportFixed, _ passedImportSpec, _ passedImportTable, _ passedImportFIle, _ False  crashed. Apparently even the 'TransferText' command creates an internal query to move the data. The query was too big. That's why I posted my original question again but specific to pulling the records directly in thru SQL Server. 2. I have no control over the creation of the data. These files are generated by the client. On the samller fiel, the TransferText command worked perfectly and created the SQL server output file I posted a snapshot of. All the fields, including the GRBNumber, GDNumber and Remarks were parsed and assigned to the correct fields when added to the SQL table. Not sure what to do at this point. Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than$4 a week.
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Mark Wills

TransferText is possibly checking 'NULL' values and doing the Nz() from Access to SQL.

How is the Client giving you the test data - and what format ?

Is the test file you supplied  us exactly the same as the much smaller test files the Client provided you ?

If you have altered that data in any way (including loading into Access), then maybe those changes have somehow impacted...

So, I would still do the Query in Access with the Nz() and export to text. We can go through that process anyway. It will be worthwhile. We can eliminate one aspect of current testing.

If by chance the test files given to you by the Client is different, I would suggest editing one of the smaller files (assuming a text file) and going to end of line and seeing if it is a bunch of zero's or, has something more like remarks....

If you can provide details as to how your client is providing their Data files to you, then we might be able to deal with their files directly.

But do the query with Nz() first and let's eliminate one aspect of this current testing.
mlcktmguy

Mark,
The file as delivered from the client has a .dat extension.  I rename the file to .txt.

The large file should be exactly the same format as the smaller file.

I wnet back to the original file format supplied by the client and saw a field after 'Remarks'.  The filed is 'Filler' with a text length of 100.  'Filler' is a field name from Cobol indicating that portion of the record is not used.

I have been trying every which way I can thin of to connect to (getting a file to large error)  or import the file into Access without success.

I can't use the transfertext on the larger file because it blows access up.  The smaller file, that I sent to you work fine using transfertext.

So  far I'm stumped but will keep trying.
Mark Wills

1) Hopefully we can bypass having to use Access

2) Let's prove the Nz() theory any way by using Access query and export from that. Do you need help with that ?

3) Why bother with Access Query above ? To prove the process. Eliminate an unexpected failure. Yes, a bit academic in some regards.

4) Do you need the large file in Access ? It is sounding like that wont work, so let's try to get the .Dat into SQL Server.

5) If you can edit the .Dat file and see remarks, then we should be able to do something with it. But if you are seeing the remarks as a result of your import into Access, then we need to understand how you imported (the steps). And then we need to physically check the files BEFORE any load into Access.

6) Yes, I understand COBOL's use of Filler - primarily for data alignment....

7) if the Client has promised fixed width, fixed length file, then are they prepping the data for export from their systems ?

8) Now that I know they are .DAT files from a Cobol system, are we trying to load the data component of that system ? For example, Micro Focus Cobol will store data in a .DAT and indexes in .IDX. Or if coming from a classic environment, might have to deal with EBCDIC.

9) That's why I want to understand what you have agreed with The Client - how many / how big are these files.

10) If you can EDIT the files (in something like Notepad) and see the data, then we can probably do something with it.

If you can respond to each point (point by point) in detail,  then we can progress.
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Scott Pletcher

If the file is less than 2GB in size, I've had much better success just bulk-loading the entire file, all at once, into a SQL variable, then splitting out the columns in SQL itself.  If it's a fixed-length source, that will be even easier, since you won't have to use a really fast splitter, such as delimitedsplit8k, to split the rows using delimiters.

DECLARE @file_data nvarchar(max)
/* I'm using "nvarchar" because you did in the table def.  If the file def doesn't support unicode,
SQL may reject the type and you'll need to use "varchar(max)"  and "SINGLE_CLOB" instead; that's typically what I end up having to use. */

SELECT @file_data = ors.data
FROM OPENROWSET(BULK 'x:\path\to\file\name\filename.txt', SINGLE_NCLOB) ors(data)

From there, you can parse data from @file_data and load it into a table(s) as needed.
mlcktmguy

Mark:
1) Hopefully we can bypass having to use Access

I am having no luck with Access.  I posted a question asking for ideas on how to handle this data in Access.  The suggested method 'linking to the csv file' in VBA code' worked.  I was able to connect to the file, read thru the entire small version of the file and write to the SQL table.  However, when I switched to linking to the large table the logic would read thru about 30,00 records and throw out the same old '3183' error.

Same answer to 2 and 3.

4) Do you need the large file in Access ? It is sounding like that wont work, so let's try to get the .Dat into SQL Server.
At some point I have to process this data thru Access but I don't need to use Access to load the file.  I tried messaging you the zipped up .DAT but it knew the zip contained a .dat file and wouldn't let me send it to you.

9) That's why I want to understand what you have agreed with The Client - how many / how big are these files.

There are are close to 100 unique .dat files coming from the client from areas in the legacy system.  To date all but this one have successfully processed using MS Access.  The size of this one is causing issues all around.

10) If you can EDIT the files (in something like Notepad) and see the data, then we can probably do something with it.

I cannot edit the large file.

I looked thru the small file after it had been imported using the Access TransferTex command.  Some of the 'Remarks' fields do contain a bunch of zeroes but others contain actual comments.
Mark Wills

try renaming the file with .txt extension and see if the zip process let's that through.....

otherwise check my full bio....

what is the legacy system, and is it Micro Focus Cobol ?
Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than 4 a week. Unlimited question asking, solutions, articles and more. ASKER mlcktmguy Yes, that worked ASKER mlcktmguy Don't know which version of Cobol they are using Mark Wills do you have the cobol record layout definitions - complete with redefines ? I think I have a solution for you :) I am pretty sure that some rows will be longer than others and the extra data is the redefines tacked on to the end.... Just want to make very sure of the cobol record layout, otherwise we will be getting a truck load of erroneous zeros. The costdetail isnt that big, but probably padded with zeros for the sake of data alignment... So, the 14065 is probably right. we just need to unpack longer data rows for GRBnumber, GDNnumber and remarks. Which also means that our Remarks column in the Format file needs to also be 14000 and we manually substring the three elusive columns effectively missing GRBNumber and GDNNumber and changing Remarks to 14000. If I am right, we will see two rows of data. One with CostDetails, and the other with a longer row containing the three columns. Does that make sense ? I fired up a very old Dev machine and copied a few .DAT files from a Cobol system I had written in another life. Two rows per record .... This is the best money I have ever spent. I cannot not tell you how many times these folks have saved my bacon. I learn so much from the contributors. rwheeler23 ASKER mlcktmguy MArk I sent the layout to you in a message. ASKER CERTIFIED SOLUTION Mark Wills Log in or sign up to see answer Become an EE member today7-DAY FREE TRIAL Members can start a 7-Day Free trial then enjoy unlimited access to the platform or Learn why we charge membership fees We get it - no one likes a content blocker. Take one extra minute and find out why we block content. Not exactly the question you had in mind? Sign up for an EE membership and get your own personalized solution. With an EE membership, you can ask unlimited troubleshooting, research, or opinion questions. ASKER mlcktmguy Thank you for all of your help. Mark Wills Sorry it took so long, and feel as if I havent quite finished - would like to resolve the multi line and expand those CostDetail fields. please let me know if you need a hand. I do owe you for mucking up the format file.... Cheers, Mark Wills Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than4 a week.
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