Paragon Drive Copy problem
i want to replace a Kingston 240 GB SSD now model (240 Gb) by a bigger one - running Windows 7 - 64 bit
i bought a samsung 850 EVO 512 GB, and imaged the drive to it, using Paragon Disk Manager 15 SP5
it did the imaging fine, but i can't get the samsung to boot in the Original system - the drive is seen correct in bios, and put on top in boot priority
it returns : reboot and select proper boot device
i tried with Disk Copy, and with the imaging to VHD - same outcome
the drive is GPT format ( checked with disk part,) and has 3 partitions : System (100 MB), Reserved (128 MB) and Primary 465 GB
the motherboard is Asus Rampage 4 extreme 8 GB ram
i bought a samsung 850 EVO 512 GB, and imaged the drive to it, using Paragon Disk Manager 15 SP5
it did the imaging fine, but i can't get the samsung to boot in the Original system - the drive is seen correct in bios, and put on top in boot priority
it returns : reboot and select proper boot device
i tried with Disk Copy, and with the imaging to VHD - same outcome
the drive is GPT format ( checked with disk part,) and has 3 partitions : System (100 MB), Reserved (128 MB) and Primary 465 GB
the motherboard is Asus Rampage 4 extreme 8 GB ram
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I can just speculate on the problem. What I discovered by my problem with Lenovo was that the UEFI BIOS detected that new hardware was used. And yes, new hardware has new serial ID. And serial ID of the device is saved in boot record of the OS.
With UEFI BIOS MS and other vendors want once and forever close the piracy on their systems plus better control on users. Want to get bigger drive? Go to Windows store and let the MS workers do it for $$$. Like Apple does.
With UEFI BIOS MS and other vendors want once and forever close the piracy on their systems plus better control on users. Want to get bigger drive? Go to Windows store and let the MS workers do it for $$$. Like Apple does.
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in the article you linked to they say to disable, csm, use legacy, etc.. but none of these exist in my biosi even tried AOMEI backupper - same result, with normal backup and sector by sector
also note that it is a windows 7 system - not 10
also note that it is a windows 7 system - not 10
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Ignore the settings section if the movement to completely different hardware did not take place. Go directly to commandline and follow instructions with editing efi data.
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there is no different hardware Noxcho - i only do the drive copy or imaging on another system
Joe, i must say i completely forgot about Casper - good you remember me of it; i'm curious for the outcome
i will try it though, and post back results
Joe, i must say i completely forgot about Casper - good you remember me of it; i'm curious for the outcome
i will try it though, and post back results
> i'm curious for the outcome
I am, too. Looking forward to your results. Cheers, Joe
I am, too. Looking forward to your results. Cheers, Joe
And if the godlike casper fails with the same problem I can expect what next advice you get - reinstall Windows ;)
Anyway, I know that total dispfferent hardware was not used. I got the same problem by restoring Windows to ne drive with Windows Backup tool. And fix was editing efi like I mentioned already.
Anyway, I know that total dispfferent hardware was not used. I got the same problem by restoring Windows to ne drive with Windows Backup tool. And fix was editing efi like I mentioned already.
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Putting a +1 on Jason's suggestion to update the firmware (ideally before the Casper clone, but even after it is fine). This EE article from a few years ago discusses how to do it for the 840 EVO:
How to fix read performance on Samsung SSD 840 EVO and 840 EVO mSATA
It's probably the same, or very similar, for the 850 EVO. Regards, Joe
How to fix read performance on Samsung SSD 840 EVO and 840 EVO mSATA
It's probably the same, or very similar, for the 850 EVO. Regards, Joe
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thanks all - good info - i did try all the suggestions today - here the result
1-ran Casper =>bad
2-firmware update => test ==> Bad
3- DM15 drive copy =>>bad
any more ideas there ? ?
1-ran Casper =>bad
2-firmware update => test ==> Bad
3- DM15 drive copy =>>bad
any more ideas there ? ?
Can you boot using the Windows 7 install media, and go to command prompt. Try these commands:
bootrec /FixMbr
-will write a Windows Vista and Windows 7 compatible MBR to the system partition.
bootrec /FixBoot
- will write a new boot sector to the system partition. If your system is Windows 7, FixBoot will write a Windows 7-compatible boot sector and so on.
bootrec /ScanOs
- will scan the hard drives for any installations. ScanOs will also print installations that are not currently in the BCD.
bootrec /RebuildBcd
- will scan for installations on your hard drive and allows you to select which to add to the BCD.
bootrec /FixMbr
-will write a Windows Vista and Windows 7 compatible MBR to the system partition.
bootrec /FixBoot
- will write a new boot sector to the system partition. If your system is Windows 7, FixBoot will write a Windows 7-compatible boot sector and so on.
bootrec /ScanOs
- will scan the hard drives for any installations. ScanOs will also print installations that are not currently in the BCD.
bootrec /RebuildBcd
- will scan for installations on your hard drive and allows you to select which to add to the BCD.
Nobus, did you try the instrcutions with assigning a drive letter to a efi partition? I doubt you get here other instructions after godlike software failed. So time to turn back to the beginning. Sorry I never got from you feedback on that suggestion.
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i looked at it and tried the first command - but decided for the "easier' solutions to try first noxcho
i'll review them
Jason - i don't have the Original DVD ( english), but i have dutch versions of the win7 home -
1- can i use that - with F10 during startup to get prompt?
2--as said it only boots from the Boot manager in the BIOs does that influence the commands ?
btw - the Drive copy booted ok from the Samsung ok on my other Asus system
i'll review them
Jason - i don't have the Original DVD ( english), but i have dutch versions of the win7 home -
1- can i use that - with F10 during startup to get prompt?
2--as said it only boots from the Boot manager in the BIOs does that influence the commands ?
btw - the Drive copy booted ok from the Samsung ok on my other Asus system
Boot manager is UEFI. Try disabling UEFI in BIOS and see if it will boot.
Yes, you should be to use any version. You just need the command prompt.
Also you can download ISO of Windows 7 to create a DVD.
Also you can download ISO of Windows 7 to create a DVD.
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Noxcho - these were the commands i tried before, without success ( sorry i was mot cleare on it)
but as i posted i have 2 partitions 1-System = 100MB; 2- -Reserved = 128 MB - which one should i pick? system, or reserved ?
i found out by now (after firmware update) that the clone boots on my P8B75-M board - b when i select the Boot Manager in the bios - not the SSD drive; anyone knows why that is?
so- the cloneboots there - but still not on the Rampageboard - tested bios selection SSD, and Bootmanager
i am tempted to do the bios upgrade, but am hesitant, since i found here a post saying it voids the windows 7 compatibility
http://www.thessdreview.com/forums/threads/new-bios-for-asus-rampage-iv-extreme.2624/
comments ?
but as i posted i have 2 partitions 1-System = 100MB; 2- -Reserved = 128 MB - which one should i pick? system, or reserved ?
i found out by now (after firmware update) that the clone boots on my P8B75-M board - b when i select the Boot Manager in the bios - not the SSD drive; anyone knows why that is?
so- the cloneboots there - but still not on the Rampageboard - tested bios selection SSD, and Bootmanager
i am tempted to do the bios upgrade, but am hesitant, since i found here a post saying it voids the windows 7 compatibility
http://www.thessdreview.com/forums/threads/new-bios-for-asus-rampage-iv-extreme.2624/
comments ?
Nobus, can you please take a screenshot of your partitions layout how Drive Copy or Hard Disk Manager shows them? Is the drive now GPT or MBR?
Via CMD or Volume Explorer from HDM - can you see what both small partitions have inside?
Via CMD or Volume Explorer from HDM - can you see what both small partitions have inside?
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the drive is GPT - as was the original drive
here the volume explorer screenshot :
if you need more -just ask !
here the volume explorer screenshot :
if you need more -just ask !
Then you need to mount the first partition which is EFI. So in your case it would be: SELECT VOLUME=0 and further with instructions.
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i can't select that volume
here's what i get when booted from USB install stick
here's what i get when booted from USB install stick
Volume 2 on your screenshot is the 100MB volume. Select it. And volume C is your system partition then.
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all ok till bcdboot C:\windows /s Z: /f UEFI
i guess wrong option - do i need UEFI - or maybe FAT32?
i guess wrong option - do i need UEFI - or maybe FAT32?
Actually uefi. What error do you get? Is the C drive really assigned to System partition?
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i did not get an error at all - only the help files, so it can be a syntax error
if you want; i'll retry
if you want; i'll retry
Retry it. Maybe really a syntax error. If this does not help give a try to Neosmart Easy Recovery Essentials: https://neosmart.net/wiki/fix-uefi-boot/#Fix_UEFI_Boot_with_Easy_Recovery_Essentials
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i thought you would recommend the rescue kit from Paragon - does that not help?
I would suggest recovery cd from Hard Disk Manager then. It has Boot Corrector tool, you can use it for its efi fixup feature.
What else I would try is to install the OS new, then copy the OS partition over C drive to newly installed system. I call this Frankenstein process :)
So install Windows 7 same edition what you have on smaller drive to a new bigger drive. Then backup and restore the os partition over freshly installed system by overwriting the system partition only.
What else I would try is to install the OS new, then copy the OS partition over C drive to newly installed system. I call this Frankenstein process :)
So install Windows 7 same edition what you have on smaller drive to a new bigger drive. Then backup and restore the os partition over freshly installed system by overwriting the system partition only.
Keeping tabs on this if you and noxcho haven't resolved soon. Good luck.
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i am rebuilding the usb stic now - i was not sure i had the SP5 on it
i would try to do the imaging from the Original system from that stick - i suppose that works?
frankenstein is not applicable; the 250 Gb drive is nearly full of installed software and games
tips and comments still welcome !
i would try to do the imaging from the Original system from that stick - i suppose that works?
frankenstein is not applicable; the 250 Gb drive is nearly full of installed software and games
tips and comments still welcome !
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well - i made the new image result :
it does NOT boot from Original system
it DOES BOOT from 2 other different systems ok
so it seems the imaging is ok - but there is something going on with this board.
i'll post a new Q on this
it does NOT boot from Original system
it DOES BOOT from 2 other different systems ok
so it seems the imaging is ok - but there is something going on with this board.
i'll post a new Q on this
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well - i made the new image result :
it does NOT boot from Original system
it DOES BOOT from 2 other different systems ok
so it seems the imaging is ok - but there is something going on with this board.
i'll post a new Q on this
it does NOT boot from Original system
it DOES BOOT from 2 other different systems ok
so it seems the imaging is ok - but there is something going on with this board.
i'll post a new Q on this
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well - i made the new image result :
it does NOT boot from Original system
it DOES BOOT from 2 other different systems ok
so it seems the imaging is ok - but there is something going on with this board.
i'll post a new Q on this
it does NOT boot from Original system
it DOES BOOT from 2 other different systems ok
so it seems the imaging is ok - but there is something going on with this board.
i'll post a new Q on this
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>> have you connected the new drive to the same SATA cable on which the smaller drive was? << YES
i'll try your suggestions of course, but i'm even more interested in the WHY it does njot boot
Drive copy and disk imaging is Always presented as an exact copy ( eg picture) - so why the difference?
can it make a difference if i run DM15 from another system??
i must say - i never had this problem before - just made another disk copy of another drive ( windows 10) and that booted normally.
--oh yes -- it also does not boot on another system