Searching For A Missing Driver

We have a client that has a SAA7146 video capture card (PCI Vendor ID 1131 and Device ID 7146).  They had it running on an old Windows XP computer but it died.  Shocker, I know.

This is used for some rather old (Windows XP) era eye diagnostic equipment and we have gotten the old computer setup on a new box (Windows 10 X64) with a virtual XP machine in it.  The only thing we are missing is a driver for this card.  We can not find a driver for it and looks like all hope is lost.  

Relentlessly searching Google for it and can't find anything even close to even a Windows 7 driver.

(The problem is that the software specifically needs this card and the company that makes the software is out of business.)

Any thoughts or help?  Please!
Brad KlausAsked:
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Make the XP Machine a Virtual Machine within VMware Workstation and it will use the VMware Video driver, BIOS and network drivers.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Do you have the subsystem ID as well for the PCI VEN/DEV details, what are the manufacturers involved - including the obsolete software supplier?

Is the XP HDD recoverable?
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
MASQ: The subsys is 49540600&REV_01

The software is DigiVid.  They have been gone for so long can't even practically find a mention of them on Google.

No.  The drive has mechanically failed.
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Wayne88Commented:
"Make the XP Machine a Virtual Machine within VMware Workstation and it will use the VMware Video driver, BIOS and network drivers."

I think he was referring to the video capture card for the eye diagnostic equipment not the primary display driver.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
John: I have already made an XP VM with VMWare Workstation and have set it all up (including a PCI Parallel card) but if the drivers are not there for Windows 10 how will it communicate with the VM?
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
If the diagnostic software cannot adapt to a different Video driver, then you need to look for new software.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Wayne88: That is correct.  This is a capture card.  Everything else works.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
John: Just to be clear it is not the video adapter.  All works fine.  Just need a capture driver for the aforementioned card.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Or can someone find a similar product (S-video) input to try that could work under XP and Windows 10?
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Have you already tried generic SAA 7146 libraries?
Is the intention to get this running in XP again but Win7 as a bonus?
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Wayne88Commented:
What are you using as the virtualization host (Virtual PC, virtual box, vmware)?  What kind of port do you require (serial, parallel, usb)?

Do you have the XP drivers?  If yes, perhaps there is a way to emulate the serial port to the VM with something like a serial to ethernet connector, or paralles to ethernet connector, etc.  Some kind of port emulator or pass thru the port to the VM.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Wayne88: It has an s-video input.  And yes we can get find the XP drivers.  And we are using VMWare Workstation on a Windows 10 x64 box.  There seems to be a faint hint of newer drivers but seems lost in all the crappy video driver fix it program results on Google.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
I am running out of ideas.  There is a Microsoft Article on getting s-Video to work, but the solution was not accepted.

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-desktop/cant-detect-tv-using-s-video/a2c8ab20-4d38-42be-ad3b-4690aca38106
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
MASQ: To your previous reply it only has to work inside XP/VMWare.  Don't care at all about anything else in Windows 10.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
John: It's not about the S-Video working.  Just need to find a driver or solution for it to be "working" with a driver on Windows 10 X64 so can we use it on Windows 10 in the VM.
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Wayne88Commented:
I know this may not be what you want to hear but as a work around maybe it's best to get an old workstation then throw in the image of that XP machine into it using universal restore (such software as Acronis, Paragon can accomlish this) then install the card and driver after a successful restore.

Like this https://www.ebay.com/itm/HP-XW4400-1-X-CORE-2-DUO-2-4GHZ-E6600-2-0GB-250GB-WINDOWS-XP-3190/152855821453?hash=item2396eabc8d:g:N3AAAOSwyGBa2bZq

I have clients who still kept a couple of old machines just for backup purposes.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Is there any way with VMWare Workstation Pro to directly access the PCI bus like with VMware VMDirectPath I/O?

That sounds like exactly like what I need and have the virtualization feature enabled in BIOS.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
At some point (Business Management), the software must be replaced. So perhaps turn your attention to that.
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Wayne88Commented:
I agree with that but we're assuming the company have the money to spend or willing to spend.  It sounds like an expensive specialized software/hardware.  If that was the case he would have asked the question here in the first place.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Wayne88 and John:  That is correct.  The diagnostic equipment to upgrade to a newer system is about $30,000 USD so we are trying to find a solution for them.
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
The original stuff should have been amortized which can create the funds needed.

Can you capitalize these funds now and begin amortization?
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Wayne88Commented:
Brad, the only alternatives I see is either find a way to emulate or pass thru the s-video which I haven't been able to find a solution for.  The best chance is to buy an old XP machine (you want to keep the hardware the same around that era) then re-image it as stated above.  Install the capture card and driver afterward.
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Can anyone recommend a S-video PCI card that has XP and Windows 7 (I can downgrade the machine) and/or 10 drivers?
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Wayne88Commented:
Btw, do you think the equipment can work with a USB capture card?  This has the drivers for xp and 7

https://www.amazon.ca/August-VGB100-Video-Capture-Device/dp/B008F0SARC
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Brad KlausAuthor Commented:
Wayne88:  To make sure we are on the same page, what do you think about this:

http://www.microcenter.com/product/502979/EZMaker_7_Video_Capture_for_Your_Mac_and_PC#tab-specs

I know the software is the variable but if it is has s-video input and drivers for XP and Win10x64 it is either this or literally throw the baby out with the bath water, correct?
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Wayne88Commented:
For the price it's definitely worth a shot.  I have used USB capture card before and I was impressed with the quality.  I hope it will work for you with the required hardware.
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Fred MarshallPrincipalCommented:
I'm not sure .. is there or is there not an image of the old machine?
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Wayne88Commented:
"I'm not sure .. is there or is there not an image of the old machine?"

I believe he can use the image of the VM and by Brad's account everything works except for the PCI capture card.  Software like Acronis, Paragon can V2P or restore to dissimilar hardware.  But if using the old PCI card is a must I think it's best just to source an old machine.
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Fred MarshallPrincipalCommented:
I was thinking that if there's an existing image of the old hardware then it could be put onto newer hardware using Paragon or ...
THEN, the driver could be extracted as in "backed up" and you'd have the driver for the VM or for yet another new installation.
Maybe we're talking about the same thing .. but just to be clear.
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Wayne88Commented:
I have encountered problems before when throwing in an old XP image to much more modern hardware.  Perhaps it didn't like the newer instruction sets, I am not sure.  It's a hit and miss.   IMHO, I find it best to throw old image to old hardware from the same era.  It's just too bad VM didn't work in this case otherwise it would have saved a lot of headaches.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
So is this the Heliosis Digivid 2000?
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fred hakimRetired ITCommented:
Get something like this with XP installed, then add your card and driver and install the needed software.  Since its XP, keep it off the Internet (and the local network if possible to prevent malware.  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Quality-Dell-Windows-XP-Pro-Desktop-PC-Computer-Core-2-vPro-4Gb-250Gb-DVD-WiFi/282934614669?epid=1546539741&hash=item41e0379a8d:g:m7EAAOSwaEhZILdH
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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert / EE MVE^2)VMware and Virtualization ConsultantCommented:
This is not going to work in a virtual machine on VMware Workstation.

Is there any way with VMWare Workstation Pro to directly access the PCI bus like with VMware VMDirectPath I/O

No, this is not available. VMware vSphere supports Mware VMDirectPath I/O, where you can present a PCI card to a VM, in the Host.

BUT it's not designed for all PCI cards!
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
OK
PCI\VEN_1131&DEV_7146&SUBSYS_49540600
Refers to the
Philips FlashBus MV Video driver

XP Driver attached

But you'll need a physical XP machine for this
SAA2000XPETC.zip
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fred hakimRetired ITCommented:
Like I said,  you can buy a cheap $100 or less decent refurbished PC with a fresh load of Windows XP.   Just make sure you get a commercial class PC, they are usually built a tad stronger and with better components that should last.   Make sure before you buy to visit the vendor site to make sure they still provide XP drivers and downloads.  Dell is pretty good about that as is HP and Lenovo.  All 3 had excellent commercial product lines.  Something with a higher end Core 2 duo should be good.

See this list:         https://www.cpubenchmark.net/CPU_mega_page.html
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David Johnson, CD, MVPOwnerCommented:
What happened to the backup policy? Guessing it was non existent. Software is usually 100% depreciated after 1 year. Hardware is usually 5 years with some exceptions http://work.chron.com/calculate-depreciation-computer-equipment-7362.html

Can you get the drive refurbished from a data recovery supplier?
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nobusCommented:
you said the old PC died - can you give more details about what is bad?
it can be repairable still - is that an option?
is the disk still ok ? then you can image it as a whole whit drivers - and  make your VM
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McKnifeCommented:
"Is there any way with VMWare Workstation Pro to directly access the PCI bus like with VMware VMDirectPath I/O?" - agree with Andrew: technically definitely not possible with your card, on no common hypervisor, sorry.
You need to find a replacement, be it old hardware running xp or be it a different software.
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McKnifeCommented:
Only one suggestion was helpful, how come? :-)
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