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Question of pronouns

Given this (admittedly awkward) sentence:

We have been over this - I mean Brian and I, not you and I - in the past.

Is it supposed to be "Brian and I" and "you and I", or should it be "Brian and me" and "you and me"?

* Not specifically related to Web Languages and Standards, but I couldn't submit until I picked one "approved" category..  :/
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Steve Bink

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>>> This is the kind of sentence that you get when you transcribe verbal conversation verbatim

Great insight... this is exactly how the question came up.  A co-worker and I (me?  :D) were discussing a topic when he uttered this sentence.  He then got distracted by whether or not he had used the correct pronoun in his parenthetical phrase.  Because we both enjoy the pedantic application of grammer rules, the distraction lasted for a bit.  

Before I posted this question, I tried rephrasing it for clarity:

We (and by "we" I mean "Brian and I", not "you and I") have been over this in the past.

That definitely presents it as an appositive phrase, which should retain the same context as the original subject.  That means "I" should be correct.  He argued that when removing the "people not me" for simplification, it sounded more correct to say "I mean me" instead of "I mean I".

I do appreciate the consensus here, and will be sure to bring his attention to this question on Monday.  In the meantime, can anyone point to any other resources addressing this specific scenario, as malformed as it is?
Julian Hansen

General rule for the Brian and I vs Brian and me - take Brian out of the sentence and see if it still makes sense

Brian and I went to town
(Remove Brian)
I went to town [Good]

Brian and me went to town
(Remove Brian)
Me went to town [Not Good]

He gave the prize to Brian and Me
(Remove Brian)
He gave the prize to Me [Good]

He gave the prize to Brian and I
(Remove Brian)
He gave the prize to I [Not Good]
Steve Bink

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I appreciate the consensus here.   Co-worker is stubbornly holding on to their failing position.  I'm continuing to look for example specifically related to parenthetical and appositive phrases.  

Thanks for the support.
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Thank you Steve
John

You are very welcome