office 2016
I am trying to go through shared computer activation method to install office 2016
right now we have VM's with citrix application on it.
and presently have xenapp architecture having non persistence desktop feature.
I was going through this article
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/deploy-office-365-proplus-by-using-remote-desktop-services
so do we need to deploy 2016 office as an image on VM which is not terminal server
right now we have VM's with citrix application on it.
and presently have xenapp architecture having non persistence desktop feature.
I was going through this article
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/deployoffice/deploy-office-365-proplus-by-using-remote-desktop-services
so do we need to deploy 2016 office as an image on VM which is not terminal server
I'm not versed in Citrix Xenapp but it seems that the non-persistent desktop would be a potential problem. Everytime the users log out the desktop would be wiped so it would delete any files added even the xml file you create. The RDS isnt the issue but the desktop feature of non-persistent. That's what I think may be your issue.
Agreed.
Are you using volume licence for Office 2016?
You need to setup a KMS server which can be reached by your VM within the local network.
Have you done that before?
Are you using volume licence for Office 2016?
You need to setup a KMS server which can be reached by your VM within the local network.
Have you done that before?
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YES WE have KMS server within our network. i am asking what is the difference between our present installation where office 2010
is installed in our citrix environment and use shared computer activation instead
is installed in our citrix environment and use shared computer activation instead
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do we need iso image or can just go direct install of office 2016 on any KMS server?
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i was told that I can only install image of 2016 for shared computer activation? so confused
i was told that I can only install image of 2016 for shared computer activation?
Yes, provided that your company is paying for Office 365 subscription (i.e. each user can have 5 devices under their login).
Yes, provided that your company is paying for Office 365 subscription (i.e. each user can have 5 devices under their login).
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do we really need RDS method to deploy SHARED COMPUTER ACTIVATION
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That is normal method each user can have 5 devices, SCA can have multiple devices?
do we really need RDS method to deploy SHARED COMPUTER ACTIVATION
Yes. If all users are using Office 365 subscription.
Yes. If all users are using Office 365 subscription.
SCA only makes the activation transparent to the users but it will not work with non persistence desktop.
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how , it wont work with non persistence desktop, is there any article
SCA is only relevant to deployment of Office 365 on subscription using click to run Office 2016 Installers. (User based activation)
Volume licence Office 2016 will not use SCA as Office 2016 must be installed via VLK media. (Machine based activation)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2810023/error-when-opening-the-click-to-run-version-of-an-office-program-or-su
Volume licence Office 2016 will not use SCA as Office 2016 must be installed via VLK media. (Machine based activation)
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/2810023/error-when-opening-the-click-to-run-version-of-an-office-program-or-su
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my last question
is it expected to make that change on the local machine to add anything to the local installation? Or does the activation take place from the user profile standpoint? Would that be saved? Would a user be prompted to log back in after the machine was rebooted.
is it expected to make that change on the local machine to add anything to the local installation? Or does the activation take place from the user profile standpoint? Would that be saved? Would a user be prompted to log back in after the machine was rebooted.
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Volume licence Office 2016 will not use SCA as Office 2016 must be installed via VLK media. (Machine based activation)
-cn you be bit clear- we have volume license E3
-cn you be bit clear- we have volume license E3
cn you be bit clear- we have volume license E3
Do you mean Office 365 E3 Subscription which is bundled with Office 2016 software?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2096553-office-pro-plus-2016-volume-license-and-e3-subscription-remote-desktop-service
Do you mean Office 365 E3 Subscription which is bundled with Office 2016 software?
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/2096553-office-pro-plus-2016-volume-license-and-e3-subscription-remote-desktop-service
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yes
is it expected to make that change on the local machine to add anything to the local installation? Or does the activation take place from the user profile standpoint? Would that be saved? Would a user be prompted to log back in after the machine was rebooted.
It depends on which types of MS Office installations.
If the machine is using the installer from Office 365 subscription and your deployment is using SCA, you will be fine.
It depends on which types of MS Office installations.
If the machine is using the installer from Office 365 subscription and your deployment is using SCA, you will be fine.
Or does the activation take place from the user profile standpoint? Yes. If you have setup UPM in Citrix.
Would that be saved? Only if you are using UPM.
Would a user be prompted to log back in after the machine was rebooted -> If the user profile is not saved and you are using non-persistence desktop, you will have a problem from latency issue on re-activation of Office 2016.
Would that be saved? Only if you are using UPM.
Would a user be prompted to log back in after the machine was rebooted -> If the user profile is not saved and you are using non-persistence desktop, you will have a problem from latency issue on re-activation of Office 2016.
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what is UPM?
UPM=User Profile Management / Manager
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If the machine is using the installer from Office 365 subscription - what does this mean
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If the user profile is not saved and you are using non-persistence desktop, you will have a problem from latency issue on re-activation of Office 2016. -can u elaborate I can close the case then
https://discussions.citrix.com/topic/374073-xenapp-76-and-office-3650proplus-localappdatamicrosoftoffice150licensing/#comment-1914566
My comment above is a summary of the discussion in the link above.
My comment above is a summary of the discussion in the link above.
https://docs.microsoft.com/zh-hk/DeployOffice/troubleshoot-issues-with-shared-computer-activation-for-office-365-proplus?redirectSourcePath=%252fen-us%252farticle%252fc3aeb487-d45f-4079-8c35-7558a45b876c
My understanding for non persistence desktop is that on every logon from users, they might be assigned any VM and create a new user profile on login.
For old version of MS Office, reactivation is transparent to the users. However, for Office 2016, you need to educate / inform the users about the reactivation issue as reactivation should be done after a few trials according to the above link but it is annoying as the latency (the time gap to get reactivation done might not be tolerable from the perspective of your users.)
My understanding for non persistence desktop is that on every logon from users, they might be assigned any VM and create a new user profile on login.
For old version of MS Office, reactivation is transparent to the users. However, for Office 2016, you need to educate / inform the users about the reactivation issue as reactivation should be done after a few trials according to the above link but it is annoying as the latency (the time gap to get reactivation done might not be tolerable from the perspective of your users.)
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"you need to educate / inform the users about the reactivation issue as reactivation should be done after a few trials according to the above link but it is annoying as the latency (the time gap to get reactivation done might not be tolerable from the perspective of your users.) "
To your above statement,
So long as the RDS server has reliable internet access, SCA should work on Office 2013/2016.- why the user will have latency issue?
To your above statement,
So long as the RDS server has reliable internet access, SCA should work on Office 2013/2016.- why the user will have latency issue?
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we have ADFS set up
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so there is no issue with SCA , we can go for it rather than .MSI method??
You are having the same user credentials for both ADFS and Office 365 subscription?
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yes
so there is no issue with SCA , we can go for it rather than .MSI method?
Yes
Yes
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my last question:
we have production vm The vDisk images are being hosted on the Provisioning servers. They conform to the following naming convention: data1 and data-Test
The VM’s and images can be interchanged via the Provisionoing Services Console on either PVS server.
The vDisk files can be found on the D:\ drive in the root as well as in the PVSStore directory.
The vDisk files in the root of D:\ are not active. They are the base images . The vDisk files in the PVSStore are the active files. The *.VHD files are the base image files
so when I use deployment method for office 2016 and OCT method, will I need to deploy office 2016 as an image (what does this mean) and not setup.exe on the vdisk image?
directly , our Hosted shared model which is based on a server based operating system.
how installing on vdisk image will populate office 2016 to machine catalog and delivery group, I just need to know basic architecture.
we have production vm The vDisk images are being hosted on the Provisioning servers. They conform to the following naming convention: data1 and data-Test
The VM’s and images can be interchanged via the Provisionoing Services Console on either PVS server.
The vDisk files can be found on the D:\ drive in the root as well as in the PVSStore directory.
The vDisk files in the root of D:\ are not active. They are the base images . The vDisk files in the PVSStore are the active files. The *.VHD files are the base image files
so when I use deployment method for office 2016 and OCT method, will I need to deploy office 2016 as an image (what does this mean) and not setup.exe on the vdisk image?
directly , our Hosted shared model which is based on a server based operating system.
how installing on vdisk image will populate office 2016 to machine catalog and delivery group, I just need to know basic architecture.