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Is this the correct amount of licenses for Server 2016 and SQL 2017?

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Ok so I want to be sure that this is correct.

So the setup is going to be a Windows 2016 Standard VM assigned with 4 Cores running SQL 2017 Standard

So if I buy a Server 2016 Standard ($882) then purchase 30 CALS for it, then buy 2x SQL 2017 Standard 2 Core packs (so 4 Cores total licensed)

Then I can have 30 users access the SQL server and be in compliance with Microsoft licensing?
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Tarik M. ZwainIndependent IT and Microsoft Specialist

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I believe you are overdoing it a bit.  After reading this:
Standard
Limited to lesser of 4 sockets or 24 cores
from the MS page - Editions and supported features of SQL Server 2017
it looks like you only need to purchase one SQL Server license instead of two.
Russ SuterSenior Software Developer
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You don't need to buy CALs AND core licenses. SQL Server is licensed either by CAL or by core.

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You don't need to buy CALs AND core licenses. SQL Server is licensed either by CAL or by core.

The CALS are for Server 2016, as I understand, you require a CAL for every user connecting to the server, then you need will need an aditional SQL CAL for each user connecting to the SQL database on that same Server. But in this case it was cheaper to go for core based licensing on SQL rather than SQL CALS.

Or do I have this completely wrong?
Joseph HornseyDirector of IT & Infrastructure
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Tom,

Actually, I think you've got it right.  You have to worry about two licenses here.  One for Windows Server and one for SQL Server.

On the Windows Server side, you need a license for the Server OS itself, and you need CALs for the users or devices.  Keep in mind that you can also look into Windows Server 2016 Essentials if you have less than 50 users accessing the server.  You're limited to a single OSE (Operating System Environment), so you can either have a VM or run the physical server itself as the SQL server.

For the SQL Server, you're right about that, too.  You can either purchase the server license and CALs or you can purchase the cores.  The core licenses are sold in 2-packs and you have to cover all of your cores.

Licensing guide for Windows Server - https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/cloud-platform/windows-server-pricing.
Licensing guide for SQL Server -  https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/sql-server/sql-server-2017-pricing.

Let me know what you think.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow)VMware and Virtualization Consultant
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What you've not stated is HOW MANY CORES in the Physical Host, because all CORES in the HOST must be licensed!

So how many cores and processors in the HOST server ?
ste5anSenior Developer
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Important question: What is the use-case scenario for this server?

If it is only for hosting SQL Server, then you either need SQL Server CAL's or SQL Server Core licenses. And imho you need only to license virtual cores. Not physical one.

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Well this thread really goes to show how vauge and misleading Microsoft licensing rules are, everyone seems to have interpretted the rules differently...
Joseph HornseyDirector of IT & Infrastructure
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It's not that bad, LOL.  There are just multiple scenarios.

The links I sent are correct.  The question is, how are you using your server?
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow)VMware and Virtualization Consultant
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@Tom,

you've still not answered....


What you've not stated is HOW MANY CORES in the Physical Host, because all CORES in the HOST must be licensed!

So how many cores and processors in the HOST server ?
ste5anSenior Developer
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@Andrew: Sure? Cause this is the actual cheat sheet; and also what our local dealer says:

SQL Server 2017  Licensing Datasheet

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Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow)VMware and Virtualization Consultant
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So the setup is going to be a Windows 2016 Standard VM assigned with 4 Cores running SQL 2017 Standard

It states Windows 2016 VM..... so it's a virtual machine on a Host... what is the host and and how many cores and processors ?

Licenses required are Windows OS and SQL ?

I'm referring to Windows OS licenses ? from what I've read above nobody seems to have mentioned ALL Cores in Host MUST be licensed for Windows 2016

*All physical cores on the server must be licensed, subject to a minimum of 8 core licenses per physical processor and a minimum of 16 core licenses per server.

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https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/product-licensing/windows-server-2016.aspx

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Ok so we got another quote for the licenses and we have decided to go with CALS for both Server and SQL.

So:
2016 Server Standard + 30 CALS
2017 SQL Standard + 30 CALS

This should take the "Cores" out of the equation I assume?

The physical host has 16 real cores, but we will still only assign proboubly 4 or 8 cores to this VM.
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So the quote is as follows

1x      MW 228-11135      SQL Server 2017 - STANDARD Ed License (Requires CALs)
35x      MW 359-06557      SQL Server 2017 - CAL - USER
               
1x      MW 9EM-00118      Windows Server STANDARD Ed 2016 (Core Lic)OLP 16L NO LEVEL CORE
35x      MW R18-05123      Windows Server CAL 2016 (OLP) USER CAL

The server license 9EM-00118 seems to cover 16 cores, so should be all good then?
Tarik M. ZwainIndependent IT and Microsoft Specialist

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Yes, that looks correct.
Andrew Hancock (VMware vExpert PRO / EE Fellow)VMware and Virtualization Consultant
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If you have a single processor with 16 Cores, then the following is needed...

1 x Base License Required - Windows ServerĀ® 2016 Standard (16 core)

Which is correct, which entitles you to run up to a maximum of 2 VMs.

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Thanks

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