Avatar of BeGentleWithMe-INeedHelp
BeGentleWithMe-INeedHelp
Flag for United States of America asked on

Any chance to improve a netbook with an ATOM processor? Would an SSD drive make any difference?

I have a netbook (remember those!?).  It's a Toshiba with an Atom N280 processor, 2GB ram and a 160GB platter hard drive (Im only using 35GB of it).  It's running win 7 STARTER

IT 'works' but whatever you need to do on it just takes soooo long.

That's the max amount of ram it can take.  Any way to tell what replacing the drive with an SSD would do?  And maybe use some of the drive as RAM / swap file, etc?  Would that make a difference?  Or the boat anchor processor will kill it anyway?

damn, makes my skin crawl looking at what I am playing with

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=Intel+Atom+N280+%40+1.66GHz&id=615

hundreds?!  When 'normal' chips are thousands!?
Windows 10SBSWindows OSWindows 7Storage Hardware

Avatar of undefined
Last Comment
nobus

8/22/2022 - Mon
Lee W, MVP

Yes, an SSD will help... but only in areas where the CPU and RAM is not the bottleneck.  (Disk IS the slowest major part of a computer though and an SSD can be 5x faster than a spinning disk).
BeGentleWithMe-INeedHelp

ASKER
so for surfing, etc. I'd see an improvement?  from a crawl to really slow?

Looking at task manager, the CPU is always at 100%
Lee W, MVP

What's using the CPU?  Depends on what you're surfing.
I started with Experts Exchange in 2004 and it's been a mainstay of my professional computing life since. It helped me launch a career as a programmer / Oracle data analyst
William Peck
Owen Rubin

The SSD MAY help in surfing if the computer is spending a lot of time swapping memory, as that will be faster. But if the CPU is at 100%, it might not. Unless, of course, the CPU is spending a lot of time swapping memory on and off the disk.

But I would not expect a major speed up, as the processor is only so fast.

I would also look to see how much free memory is available, as adding more memory might also reduce swap times since it will have to swap out a lot less.
David Johnson, CD

Improving it will be like beating a dead horse.  Save your money and replace it. Windows 7 basic struggles if you put a modern browser on it then even with the ssd handling the swapfile it will still be dog slow.
Owen Rubin

You know David, that truly IS the best answer!  ;-)
Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than $4 a week.
Unlimited question asking, solutions, articles and more.
Mal Osborne

Well, being STARTER edition, it will not support any more ram, and the CPU is almost certainly soldered in place. An SSD will certainly give it a bit of boost, but that machine will always be lethargic. On the other hand, a 120Gb SSD can be had for well under $50, so might be worth it, if your expectations are realistic.
David Johnson, CD

You're right it was Win 7 Starter not Win 7 Basic
nobus

and don't forget that windows will not run fast with only 2 GB ram
you can check in resource monitor how much free ram you have while running your applications, and see where the bottleneck is
but i guess that both can be the cause (depending on the app)
i would not upgrade it, unless you have a compelling reason for doing so
your SSD will surely cost about 100 $ + ram- say 50$  - - is it worth it?
probably not  - but it can be done
Experts Exchange has (a) saved my job multiple times, (b) saved me hours, days, and even weeks of work, and often (c) makes me look like a superhero! This place is MAGIC!
Walt Forbes
ASKER CERTIFIED SOLUTION
oBdA

Log in or sign up to see answer
Become an EE member today7-DAY FREE TRIAL
Members can start a 7-Day Free trial then enjoy unlimited access to the platform
Sign up - Free for 7 days
or
Learn why we charge membership fees
We get it - no one likes a content blocker. Take one extra minute and find out why we block content.
Not exactly the question you had in mind?
Sign up for an EE membership and get your own personalized solution. With an EE membership, you can ask unlimited troubleshooting, research, or opinion questions.
ask a question
Mal Osborne

nobus> Windows7, Starter edition only recognises 2Gb of RAM. Upgrading would be pointless without a new OS as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_7_editions#Comparison_chart
BeGentleWithMe-INeedHelp

ASKER
thank you all! The SSD is laying around here, so might as well use it is my distorted thinking.

And at the same time, while I like the practice of opening up a machine and cloning a drive, the SSD is smaller than the original so now I have to use parted magic to get the partition small enough to clone to the SSD.  With my limited skills, I could wind up wrecking the original drive so it doesn't boot. Or hey, clone to a platter drive then resize it there, then clone to SSD.

but if i's not going to produce usable benefits, I barely have enough time to do important things let alone labors of love.  Im always amazed how you guys have the time to lead productive lives,  learn all that you know & still help out others. But I guess you aren't taking as long to do rudimentary things like us noobs or redoing things because you got better advice from EE experts than how you did something originally.

And the unit does "work". Just  slowly. it would seem to have some value - a working lightweight portable PC, but f it breaks or gets stolen, not a big deal.  But david is right about what needs to be done on a logical basis.

But do you put an old dog down just because it's slow and old <g> (best analogy I can think of at this instant, but I say that not meaning this is anything like a great old dog / companion to me. I haven't used it in months, dusted it off and said "damn, this is slow".  It's more the idea that it is so hard for me to toss most anything that still "works" although maybe I need to focus on something being  "usable".

Any advice or metric you use to decide things like that? "Yeah, I could probably fix that but it still wouldn't ____________"
Mike Sun

There is a good chance that the netbook speed can be greatly improved by a (somewhat time consuming) thorough cleanup of non essential software, startup entries, services and scheduled tasks. Aim for a total process count of less than 40.  Even remove any 3rd party security solutions and use Microsoft Security essentials with its smaller footprint. Here is a guide which may help -

Black Viper’s Windows 7 Super Tweaks
Get an unlimited membership to EE for less than $4 a week.
Unlimited question asking, solutions, articles and more.
nobus

if you have the SSD - use it!
you can easily clone the Original to the ssd with free software, like the aomei backupper, or paragon soft :
http://www.paragon-software.com/home/br-free/download.html
i would still favor a new os and 4 GB ram