When will PCs running Windows 10 v 1803 in Semi Annual Channel be automatically upgraded to v 1809 ??

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Anyone have a link to MS info (or other source) which shows when Windows 10 v 1809 will be automatically delivered to PCs running Windows 10 v 1803 that are using Windows Update for Business ??

I can see some of the related info here : https://docs.microsoft.com/en-ie/windows/windows-10/release-information
but that doesn't address my question ...
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)
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Based on your setting, Windows 10 will begin to upgrade when V1809 is in wide distribution. Normally after about 6 months after introduction (October 2018).  

You can go to the Media Creation Link and force the upgrade on a test machine or two if you like. I have it running on both my machines and one client machine and it works fine.
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Thanks John, I know it is something like the 6 months you say (but, I've also seen 4 months and other intervals mentioned before in relation to other Win 10 version changeovers ...) and I think the actual date may even now be listed somewhere on Microsoft's labyrinthine web of info on Windows as a Service ..... but, where, oh, where exactly ?!!

I'll keep a close eye on this thread ....... yours may end up being the best answer (but I hope not !!  :-)
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There is no exact date or answer. Some updates take longer than others to iron out bugs and V1809 was one such update. So widespread use may take longer than other upgrades. So like I say no fixed time
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Thanks again, John ..

Not having any guidance from Microsoft about these dates is not good for IT Support planning and calls the usefulness of WuFB into question ...
for example, if  IT Support  know the predicted date when 1809 will arrive to 1803 SAC Channel PCs and they see this date approaching but still see lots of known issues then they might decide to configure e.g. 60 days deferral via Group Policy to those v 1803 PCs ....... but if we don't know the expected arrival date how do we know how much deferral to use ??? In other words, how useful is Windows Update for Business in this scenario ??
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I am not sure what else to say as the dates can vary as I said above.

Once you see the updates starting to come, you can set Windows Update to defer update restarts up to 30 days.

If you are happy to proceed, and you have WSUS running, you can set it to upgrade at your schedule.

Unfortunately problem resolution does not always run to a schedule.
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Have you sorted anything else out?

There were 6 cumulative updates to V1803 in September in advance of the October release of V1809. That update was pulled (worked fine for Lenovo machines in general) and there have been a half dozen or more cumulative updates since including one yesterday. Cumulative updates come out when needed and not to any schedule.

With luck Microsoft may be ready for the next 6 month interval (V-whatever) April 2019.

But there is no fixed timing.
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We know from the last update there is no fixed timing.
We know that Windows may set the timing for Wide Distribution, but that timing is anyone's guess because it is a function of us, not Microsoft.

So unless you have more questions, you should probably close the question.
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@John, nothing else sorted out yet ......
but, I'm digging into various Blogs. Twitter feeds etc from MS staffers. Also into the recent Windows 10 AMA, in addition to 3rd party sources like Redmond Magazine to try to 'decode the hidden message in Microsoft's official answers' to related questions .. if I find any clues I will post back here if/when I find something interesting ... (note: rumor has it that MS is considering doing away with Semi Annual Channel Targeted support in WuFB .... but there's no confirmation of that at present ....
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Just a rumour so far.  But that does not help with setting timing or dates.
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So, maybe this is the first piece of the  Jigsaw puzzle ... 'something happened' on dec 17 re v 1809 ? The 'Rollout Status' changed ..

Current status of Windows, version 1809, Windows Server 2019, and Windows Server, version 1809
Rollout Status as of December 17, 2018: Windows 10, version 1809, is now fully available for advanced users who manually select “Check for updates” via Windows Update.
Current status of Windows, version 1809, Windows Server 2019, and Windows Server, version 1809

If that means that it's now 'Widely Available' then maybe we could be looking at 2 months for Semi Annual Channel ??

.. and I'm basing the 2 months on this :


A short explanation of terms:

Feature Updates -- Upgrades that install a new version of the operating system, e.g. version 1809 on a system with version 1803 installed.
Semi-Annual Channel (Targeted) and Semi-Annual Channel -- The core difference between the two is that systems set to Semi-Annual Channel will receive feature updates months after general availability. It is usually a 2 month period and Microsoft refers to this as being ready for wider organizational use.

from here How to delay feature updates in Windows 10


Ok, a lot of speculation and ifs and buts ....... but if someone has a better interpretation and a few links then I'd like to see ...
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V1809 was formally released in November, not December.  Cumulative updates were released Oct, Nov and December.

Release Date: 13 November 2018 from the article you posted.

Rollout Status as of December 17, 2018: Windows 10, version 1809, is now fully available for advanced users

Yes for Advanced users (and they could have got it earlier).  People waiting for Wide Distribution are still on V1803 and that will still update as V1803.  

So as I have said, no firm dates for any of this.
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@John, Thank you so much for all your comments (and patience !) on my query ..... yes, you were so right "no firm dates on any of this"

note: for anyone else reading this ..... this situation is evolving so, to others interested in my original question, keep an eye out for v 1809 arriving automatically, at some point 'soon'(?), to a machine which is in the Semi Annual Channel Targeted branch and then expect, after an 'unknown' interval, perhaps 2 months, maybe 3 , expect the arrival of the automatic update to other machines in the Semi Annual Channel .... that seems to be the best approach ...
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Thanks for the update here and I was pleased to work with you.

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