Camera Roll issue with iPhone backup

I'm trying out an application which backs up my iPhone -- CopyTrans Shelbee.  I'm testing that application because I've been using iTunes to back up my iOS devices, and I understand that may not be possible for much longer.  CopyTrans takes forever, during a backup, persisting at the phase called "Camera Roll", and the size of the backup is several GB.  This is a mystery, because I have no photos, favorites or albums stored on my iPhone, no videos, and no recently deleted photos.  If I perform a full backup with iTunes, it takes only a minute or two, and the size of the backup is 250 MB.  It is possible that some ancient photos or videos were stored in iCloud, but I don't know how to access them.  In the iPhone Photos settings, iCloud Photos is turned off.   Any suggestions on how to clear up space in "Camera Roll" would be appreciated.
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ddantesAsked:
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
First, if Windows, Apple has not pronounced the death of iTunes yet.
Second, Full backups are good.
Third, Set up iCloud and get your photos there. Then log into iCloud and download them to your computer. I do that and have them here.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
Oh, and then, of course, once downloaded, delete them from iCloud. I do this also.
ddantesAuthor Commented:
Thank you John.  Forgive my ignorance, but I don't know how to delete anything from iCloud.  Can you provide instructions for that?
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JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
When you have photos in iCloud, you log into iCloud, go to Photos and you can see them. You can select them and then there are options to download them and also to delete them

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ddantesAuthor Commented:
Thank you.  There was only one small photo there, so it's still a mystery why  CopyTrans is occupied for so long with my iPhone Camera Roll.
JohnBusiness Consultant (Owner)Commented:
You can setup sync for the Camera Roll and sync it to iCloud if you wish. Turn off Copy Trans, and then you can download from there to PC.  Your choice which way you do it.
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