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hi,

I am using X9SRA motherboard from supermicro and right now I see good thing like M.2 SSD raid card for 4 x M.2 SSD card, seems for old motherboard like mind, is that right?

and here is my target , I google it:

https://www.asus.com/HK/support/FAQ/1037507

and https://www.gigabyte.com/Solid-State-Drive/AORUS-Gen4-AIC-SSD-8TB/support#support-dl-utility


but in a page from asus I see this notes make me worry about that.
https://www.asus.com/us/support/FAQ/1037507

"Compatibility of PCIE bifurcation between Hyper M.2 series Cards and Add-On Graphic Cards
Maximum M.2 SSDs support will be varied depends on different CPU."


so  I am not sure if I can use this card to my motherboard and take advantage of the RAID 0/10 of the card and the speed of M.2 SSD for my OLD xeon board with 64GB of RAM.

am I right that I can use that card and get the max thoughput of this M.2 SSD RAID CARD ? I am not sure if the board can support it, any idea?


and it seems that there will be an issue with this kind of card and display card? but very lucky that my GTX970 card is also from ASUS. I am not sure why, any idea ?

or what option in my motherboard HAS TO BE enable to take full advantage of this card ?
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nociSoftware Engineer
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M.2 is the physical connector spec..... and it can carry PCIE, SATA or different signals (serial+ voice for GSM modems etc.) through it.

So comparing M.2 to PCI(E) is comparing apples/ oranges.   totally different beasts.
M.2 cards are capable of delivering high bandwidth, as can do Video cards.
So putting a limit on it makes sense. (You cannot just place 8 video cards into your system and expect top performance on all of them.

That said imho your new adapater only adds ONE interface use to the bus. The raid adapter "should " have an internal bus to access the M.2 SSD.
And the adapter should take care of raid handling...
I have no personal experience with your (intended) equipment so YMMV. If you want to use it for production use: Test it.

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"And the adapter should take care of raid handling... "

of course ! I checked a lot today, none of the M.2 SSD card do not have hardware RAID .

amazing! any product you can suggest ?

" If you want to use it for production use: Test it. "
no inventory too !
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snip-snip "The ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4 Card is compatible with the Intel® X299, Z390, Z370 and future platforms' RAID-on-CPU function"

Basically that card connects four NVMe M.2 cards directly to the CPU which then does the RAID function.  X9SRA C602 chipset motherboard does not support CPUs that have the RAID-on-CPU function so they are not compatible.
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"Basically that card connects four NVMe M.2 cards directly to the CPU which then does the RAID function."

SW RAID however ! so once I unplug the card from the board all data inside will be lost ?

my board is supermicro X9SRA, not sure if this card can be use with 4 x 2TB or 4x 1TB of M2. SSD.


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andyalder ,

"with you could move it to another similar board without data loss. "

why need to move ?

Philip Elder ,

"The manual ( PDF) mentions bifurcation but based on what's below that header I'm thinking the writers didn't know what it meant. Also, there's no mention of VROC in it.
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so my board can't support it ?



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"So I said you can unplug it or move it to another system and not lose data although I still think your mobo is too old to support it. "

yes, and no data lost as the NVMe RAM can keep data even power lost, right?
" https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1037507 lists C621 chipset but not C620 which your board is based on. "
so can't even use it at all, right?
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" PCIe setting"

excellent.

and I get confirmation from ASUS that my board is too old !
so this ticket close and I prefer to buy 2 x 2TB SATA SSD for it, and make the whole solution cheaper !

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but the next board I want to buy is scalable Xeon board from gigabytes ! as only that brand offer USB 3.2 and has sound card for dual scalable Xeon board! I host a lot of  VM anyway!

for scalable Xeon, MUST I use dual CPU to take advantage of what scalable means?
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Philip Elder,

ASRock Rack seems very good ! did you tried ASUS and Supermicro? how are they ?

and web site is.. https://www.asrock.com/index.asp ?

and seems no Xeon Scalable CPU board, right ?

andyalder,
but the scalable is a big word ! must means sth and that CPU is big and size like credit card !


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Philip Elder,

ASRock board seems do not have high RAM configuration, all 128 or 256GB of RAM ONLY ! if I run VM ,container, 256GB is not enough !

and the best one I see is: X299 Taichi CLX, and no Xeon CPU board at all. 

and the only AMD board it has can only support 64GB of RAM ! OMG !

and board like this from Supermicro really good!

https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11DPG-QT
https://www.supermicro.com/en/products/motherboard/X11DAi-N

except it don't have USB 3.2 ! 


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"scalable" means you can climb them as in "Mt Everest is scalable only by the best climbers".
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ahhhaha !

so you are talking about the OS....
hahhaa

what can we do by this word.. ?

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The web site for the ASRock Rack product is: www.asrockrack.com 

It's a totally different division to ASRock which is consumer oriented.

We won't use Asus boards for anything. We have our reasons some of which are publicly searchable and others due to bad experiences with their boards.

We're not a fan of SuperMicro either. Again, publicly searchable and experience with their products in the past.

In both cases, things do change so YMMV.
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"It's a totally different division to ASRock which is consumer oriented. "

…?

"It's a totally different division to ASRock which is consumer oriented. "

supermicro has bad experience if they use as web server board before?

some one told me that he do not use Gigabytes anymore and switch to ASUS as ASUS capacitor is better than gigabytes.

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thye are not from the same web site, right?

ok, I should check this one out , www.asrockrack.com , tks.



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"ASRock Rack = Server boards, workstation boards, and barebone servers. "

US design and made in US ?

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ok.

in here, surprisingly no one heard about ASROCK RACK !

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You need more than "heard about"...., the boards need to be available, they need to be supported by a nearby (re)seller, not everyone builds their own systems, you can order to spec as well (including some guarantees).
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"You need more than "heard about"....,"

I went to computer mall and VERY VERY surprise that shop keeper do not know this either !

"the boards need to be available"

I checked their web site, they have our local distributor ! can order !


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