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SpamFighter Ain't Fighting Spam Like It Once Did!
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For comparison I have two REALLY well-trafficed admin email addresses - one a gmail account and one an Outlook 2016-managed POP3 of a unique domain.
Now, the Gmail account inbox is, for all intents and purposes, completely spam-free. Zip. Zero! Nothing. Nada. Love it!
The POP3 on its own domain is a godzilla of waste and destruction. Used to be god old SpamFighter was MORE than enough - a TITAN of power. https://www.spamfighter.com/ where NOTHING spam-ish got through.
Sadly, now, it seems to me SpamFighter has lost whatever ability it had to handle even emails I get with titles like: NUEVA PLATAFORMA DE ARQUITECTURA & MARKETING DIGITAL. Over 10 of them staring me in the face right now.
Nor ones with such subtleties as: Business funding services for your company?
Right there in the subject line.
And! For the 10+ mentioned above - two arrived only minutes apart on the same day.
Also! I've got the app at the strictest settings.
So - what is it that Experts rely on? Is SpamFighter the best? Or...is there something else that can do the job better?
Sincerely,
OT
PS - SpamFighter is US$30 a year! So it's sort of an exquisite let down to be paying for it and wading through so much spam.
For comparison I have two REALLY well-trafficed admin email addresses - one a gmail account and one an Outlook 2016-managed POP3 of a unique domain.
Now, the Gmail account inbox is, for all intents and purposes, completely spam-free. Zip. Zero! Nothing. Nada. Love it!
The POP3 on its own domain is a godzilla of waste and destruction. Used to be god old SpamFighter was MORE than enough - a TITAN of power. https://www.spamfighter.com/ where NOTHING spam-ish got through.
Sadly, now, it seems to me SpamFighter has lost whatever ability it had to handle even emails I get with titles like: NUEVA PLATAFORMA DE ARQUITECTURA & MARKETING DIGITAL. Over 10 of them staring me in the face right now.
Nor ones with such subtleties as: Business funding services for your company?
Right there in the subject line.
And! For the 10+ mentioned above - two arrived only minutes apart on the same day.
Also! I've got the app at the strictest settings.
So - what is it that Experts rely on? Is SpamFighter the best? Or...is there something else that can do the job better?
Sincerely,
OT
PS - SpamFighter is US$30 a year! So it's sort of an exquisite let down to be paying for it and wading through so much spam.
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it adds a spam score or marks the message you can use outlook rules to delete or permanently delete or move to junk folder your option
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What you are using, sps fighter is running locally along side outlook?
Pop?
What options do you gave regarding the non gmail account?
As David and David pointed out, why bother wasting time retrieving a message and then analyzing whether to keep it.
The likely explanation is that either sone messages were erroneously caught and you exempted the sender from being filtered. Then excluded entire domains.
IMAP based access that when you find a message that was not caught, you could drop it into a shared folder configured on the server that has a process that learns that that message shoukd have been spam. Or another shared folder where you teach spamassassin that this erroneously captured message shoukd not have been classified as spam.
The breadth and scope of time you gave to manage this.....
Using RBL lists to reject messages from known spammers could further help.
Pop?
What options do you gave regarding the non gmail account?
As David and David pointed out, why bother wasting time retrieving a message and then analyzing whether to keep it.
The likely explanation is that either sone messages were erroneously caught and you exempted the sender from being filtered. Then excluded entire domains.
IMAP based access that when you find a message that was not caught, you could drop it into a shared folder configured on the server that has a process that learns that that message shoukd have been spam. Or another shared folder where you teach spamassassin that this erroneously captured message shoukd not have been classified as spam.
The breadth and scope of time you gave to manage this.....
Using RBL lists to reject messages from known spammers could further help.
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Hi Scott,
Interesting idea about Google! Sounds well-worth the money - but I'm pretty sure we can add Spaassassin to the server.
However, then we've got to keep tweaking Spamassassin, I suppose? Seems like the using Google is more of a "Let GOOGLE do the tweaking!" to keep the lists / settings up-to-date. Do you agree?
Arnold - you asked:
Sincerely,
OT
Interesting idea about Google! Sounds well-worth the money - but I'm pretty sure we can add Spaassassin to the server.
However, then we've got to keep tweaking Spamassassin, I suppose? Seems like the using Google is more of a "Let GOOGLE do the tweaking!" to keep the lists / settings up-to-date. Do you agree?
Arnold - you asked:
What you are using, sps fighter is running locally along side outlook?Correct. So alllllllllll the messages come in and Spamfighter is there alone on my poor old laptop trying to manage them.
Sincerely,
OT
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Seems like the using Google is more of a "Let GOOGLE do the tweaking!" to keep the lists / settings
Yes! That is exactly the point. My opinion: You will not be able to get as good of anti spam set up as what Google or M365 has in place. I have been down this route already though. Dealing with email is not worth the effort. If you save just one hour a year by using the service, it already paid for itself.
Keeping up with anti spam is nearly a full time job, especially if you have to work with other people's mail on your server because half your time working their problems is just determining if it is their issue or yours. That is why I offloaded email to a service that can do it much better.
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Hi Scott,
Yep, yep. Sounds REALLY good. What happens to the Spam itself?
And, do you have any links for a step-by-step of how to do it?
Sincerely,
OT
Yep, yep. Sounds REALLY good. What happens to the Spam itself?
And, do you have any links for a step-by-step of how to do it?
Sincerely,
OT
It's all handled in the Admin console under Apps->GSuite->Advanced settings
https://support.google.com/a/answer/2368132?hl=en
There really is not much to do as it is pretty much set up. You would only need to go through that advanced area for special circumstances and that is not common or do something once.
Spam goes to the spam folder.
If we put spam into two categories, the really bad spam and the spam we get from signing up for trials and products, Google does a pretty good job for the really bad category. The other category is can also be overwhelming because if you let it get out of control. If you have ever used Gmail before, you already know there are tabs for promotions, updates, social and primary and that makes it easy to sort out most mail.
I personally use a secondary email that only gets used for signing up for things like trials. I don't spend too much time keeping it clean and if I really want something, I look for it and eventually update the account I signed up with using my real email if I want to go forward.
From the clients I work with that have a real mailbox overload, it is because they are at work signing up for all of their crafting, shopping, makeup,kids stuff and so on. This is not something you can really anti-spam away as much as you can educate.
https://support.google.com/a/answer/2368132?hl=en
There really is not much to do as it is pretty much set up. You would only need to go through that advanced area for special circumstances and that is not common or do something once.
Spam goes to the spam folder.
If we put spam into two categories, the really bad spam and the spam we get from signing up for trials and products, Google does a pretty good job for the really bad category. The other category is can also be overwhelming because if you let it get out of control. If you have ever used Gmail before, you already know there are tabs for promotions, updates, social and primary and that makes it easy to sort out most mail.
I personally use a secondary email that only gets used for signing up for things like trials. I don't spend too much time keeping it clean and if I really want something, I look for it and eventually update the account I signed up with using my real email if I want to go forward.
From the clients I work with that have a real mailbox overload, it is because they are at work signing up for all of their crafting, shopping, makeup,kids stuff and so on. This is not something you can really anti-spam away as much as you can educate.
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Ah! Got it. If I do so...would that obviate the need for Spamfighter, in your opinion? Do you use anything in your own PC in CONJUNCTION with Spamassassin on the serer?
Does the spam get stored anywhere (in the typical installation) so I an go through it now and again?
Sincerely,
OT