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Hi Experts,

I have a licence for Team Viewer but the cost for me personally is high.  I use it to access friends PCs to provide support and also to provide connections from individual PCs to a PC that I own running a MS Access 2016 application I have created.  All PCs are running Windows 10 Pro.

I would like to try using Microsoft Remote PC instead but I can't seem to find good documentation on what it can do with it and how to set it up.

The requirement I have is for multiple PCs (BD10, CM11, CM12) to be able to connect to a PC (CM10) that contains a MS Access 2016 application in 'unattended mode'.  I need more than one or more of the PCs to be able to connect at a time(so they can collaborate) even if only one User can 'have control' at a time.

Can Microsoft Remote PC do this (if not what are the restrictions) and if it can what are the steps to set it up on each PC?

Is there another free / low cost tool to do this?

Thanks,
Bob C.
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bbao

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i guess you are talking about Microsoft Remote Desktop, the built-in remote desktop solution for remotely accessing a Windows computer including Window Servers and Windows workstations. it is free, but it does have the below restrictions:

1. working on the fix or specific port number over TCP, by default it is TCP 3389.
2. not working behind a firewall except port forwarding is enabled on the specific port number.
3. a local computer user account is required for allowing the remote client to access the computer.

you may try anydesk.com, free and workable behind firewalls.

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arnold

Remote Desktop that is part of the windows platform or RemotePC from Idrive as an alternative to teamviewer?

Remote desktop you have to be local to the system's you are accessing.
Whay kind of instructions are you looking for?
properties of computer, advanced settings, remote tab, enable remote, possibly uncheck the require NLA.
as administrator you automatically have access to remote administration which is what this is designed for.
Depending on which windows 10 version (buikd) the point where you enable remote desktop shifts as MS retires older access points.


How many computers in total are you talking about?


Are you establishing a VPN connection to access the Application?
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Hi BBalo,
Thanks for your response.
Yes I believe I'm talking about Microsoft Remote Desktop.

I don't know what you are referring to by: 3. a local computer user account is required for allowing the remote client to access the computer.

Can' you see any restrictions based on my scenario?

Thanks,
Bob C.
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Hi Arnold,
Thanks for your response.

I don't know what you mean by' you have to be local to the system's you are accessing'?  Please clarify.
My primary PC is Windows 10 Pro Version: 21H1.  OS Build: 19043.1083.  The other PCs are also Windows 10 Pro and up to date.
I'm looking for step-by-step instructions for setting up both the Main PC and the Remote PC.  All Users have a unique User specified as 'Administrator',

I'm talking about less than 10 Main PCs and up to say 30 Remote PCs.

Thanks,
Bob C.





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Hi Experts,

FYI: I took a look at Anydesk and it appears to have the same 'restrictions' and pricing as Team Viewer.

Thanks,
Bob C.


David Johnson, CD

Windows Client Operating systems are SINGLE user at a time
Remote Desktop Server component is only available on PRO or higher (so you're ok)

create a local user i.e.

net user remote /add
net user remote superS3cR3TP@ssw0d

go to control panel system enable remote desktop and add this user

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bbao

it appears to have the same 'restrictions' and pricing as Team Viewer.

not really. AnyDesk can be used for free for casual users, see the details here.

https://anydesk.com/en/free-remote-desktop-access
Bob Collison

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Hi David,

Thanks for the clarifications.  Based on my scenario I have to rule out Microsoft Remote Desktop.

Bob C.
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Hi Bbao,

I did look over this information and I understood that it is free for 'Personal' use.

However it looks like I need a licence since multiple Users will be connecting to one PC.  This situation triggered a review with Team Viewer of whether or not it truly was 'Personal' use.  It was intially classified as Business use which resulted in having to get a basic Business Licence which has the restriction of only three Account Users having the ability to connect to other PCs.  I need a few more than that which would increase the cost.

I will contact AnyDesk directly to provide them with my scenario to see if I can operate the way I nee3d to without having to obtain a licence.

Thanks,
Bob C.
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arnold

Could you clarify the scenario you are trying to address.

Depending on the nature of data, one possible option is converting your access based app to a web based and hosting it on a vps...

Using a Linux based php/mariadb might be cheaper than a Windows based azure hosted vps.
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Hi Arnold,

Thanks for the suggestion but my app is very extensive and I'm the only 'employee' so to speak so it just isn't possible.

Thanks,
Bob C.
arnold

Did I read ypur question that your teamviewet use so ehow establishes a VPN connection that facilitates a connection to the access applications?

I'm trying to understand the scenario, use and whether remotePC from idrive could be what you are after.
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Products like AnyDesk, TeamViewer, etc are free if you use them for personal purposes. In a business environment, these products aren't free so you have to pay for them. No way around.

If you are looking for a free solution, use Windows 10 built-in app called Quick Assist, or you can you Chrome Remote Desktop, etc.
nobus

check out remote assistant as well :  MSP360 Remote Desktop. Simple. Secure. Free 
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Hi Arnold,
 I'm not sure but I don't think this is a VPN connection.  TeamViewer is simply used to connect to a PC that contains the application so the User can use it and any other applications on it.  e.g. Excel, Outlook.
Thanks,
Bob C.
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Hi Nobus,
Thanks for the suggestion.  I'll check it out and comment back on it.
Bob C.
arnold

You ave 4 computers for example, each has a set of application, you then have X number of users who would connect to one of these 4 computers and run the application they need?

In this case, remotePC might be the thing for you.

depending on how many computers you have, the users that you can add in to your account and then decide which user can access which systems.

i.e. userA can only access computers A, C D.
userB can only access B
etc.

the remotePC enterprise and the higher one, has a 7 day trial.
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Hi Arnold,

Thanks for the analysis and suggestion.

I'll take a look and report back.
Bob C.
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I have a license for Team Viewer but the cost for me personally is high.  I use it to access friends PCs to provide support and also to provide connections from individual PCs to a PC that I own running a MS Access 2016 application I have created.  All PCs are running Windows 10 Pro.  

This is two different distinct things.

TeamViewer or alternative for support

For the Access Application.. You want to make it multi-user.   The easiest way to do this is to break it into a front end (forms) and aback end (database) (we split it to prevent data corruption)

Each user would then run the front end on their machine and the backend will run on a common machine.   All that's needed for this is file sharing to be established to the machine that hots the front end and backend or each computer has their own front end and connects to the back end
Bob Collison

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Hi David,

You are correct regarding this being two different objectives.  Here is some additional insight.

The Access Application is already separated into Front / Back End and the Users have a copy of both the Front / Back End on their PCs.  The Application contains a fully functional Demo Database which is linked to on the User PC thus providing a quick method of learning the application while the use of Team Viewer at the same time allows them to manage the 'real' data.

What you are suggesting was my original approach but I was unable to come up with a method to implement it.

The current configuration using Team Viewer means that the Users are all sharing the same Common PC that also has MS Office installed allowing them to launch Outlook to send emails directly from the Access Application as well as use Excel for data importing.  All Users also have access to all the 'data'.

The only disadvantages to my current configuration is:
- Cost for Team Viewer.
- Only one User can effectively be working on the Common PC at a time (although more than one can be connected so they can collaborate).

Thanks,
Bob C.
David Johnson, CD

don't use a common backend..
have a training app front-end / back end and use something like zoom/teams
for real world use a hosted backend
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Bob Collison

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Hi David,

I'm not familiar with 'zoom/teams' just the regular Zoom.

Thanks,
Bob C.

David Johnson, CD

Zoom or Microsoft Teams or google meet
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Hi David,
Thanks.
Bob C.
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Hi Experts,

I took a look at AnyDesk and have determined that:
- My use of it would be classified as Business which would require a licence that is beyond my price range.
- The Trial Instructions / User Interface were horrible.  I couldn't even figure out how to initially set it.

I also have tried to download MSP360 Remote Control however I was unsuccessful as they can't accept an email address from my ISP - e.g. RBCE@Bell.Net.

So at this point I have decided that my best option is to continue with my discounted Team Viewer Business Licence.

Thanks,
Bob Collison.
David Johnson, CD

you might want to look at n-eble take control https://www.n-able.com/products/take-control
Bob Collison

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Hi David,
The only option here in my possible price range only allows one concurrent user at a time.

Team Viewer as per my licence allows for three.

Thanks,
Bob C.
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