asked on HHD hard drive does not move a row of images to another folder within the same drive
Good afternoon Experts,
I recently opened a ticket inquiring about:
Files not copying fast enough on a 2TB ssd drive.
This thread is similar in nature, but instead of an ssd drive, it is a 4TB hdd.:
It is formatted as an NTFS drive.
The folder structure inside looks like this:
I am trying to copy a row of files to any of the folders above. If I move one at a time, everything is fine. However if I try to move a row of files or even two files, it takes about 1 and 1/2 to 2 seconds to complete. It should be instantaneously like the single file move.
Here are the following steps I have taken so far to try and fix this issue:
https://www.ubackup.com/windows-10/windows-10-file-copy-slow-1021.html
- File System Error Checking
- Enable Optimize Drives for Defragmentation
- Disable Real Time Protection
- This step didn't take. It seems that Windows Defender detects if this setting is turned off and then turns it back off, so I looked for a method to permanently shutdown Real Time Protection and found this:
- How to permanently disable Windows Defender
Real Time Protection with GPO - https://stackoverflow.com/questions/62174426/how-to-permanently-disable-windows-defender-real-time-protection-with-gpo
- It did not work, because I just checked and real-time protection was enabled.
- I Disallowed Drive Indexing for the specified drive
- Method five: Disable Windows Auto-Tuning only pertains to copying moving files over a network. This does apply in my situation, because I am moving files to a folder within the same hard drive.
- Method 6: Disable Large Send Offload
- Also for network file moving and copying
- Method 7 speaks to checking the USB port and update the drivers
- make sure your USB or external hard drive connected to the right port. For example, a drive supports USB 3.0/3.1 should be plugged into a USB 3.0/3.1 port, otherwise the transfer speed will be affected.
- I went to device manager to see what my USB ports were:
- Based upon the configuration, how the heck am I supposed to know which of these USB controllers goes to which port on the actual pc. I have five USB ports in the back of the computer and only one is a super speed USB port. I have four USB ports in the front of the computer, and only two of them are super speed USB ports.
Second, the slow copy speed from windows 10 to USB or vice versa could also be caused by outdated drivers. To fix it, you can go to the PC’s manufacturer’s website, and download the latest USB drivers. This
could ensure your USB drive works well and solve some other glitches as well.- I updated drivers
- even though I cloned my machine before I tried any of the steps above, I am not going to reformat the drive as it is already NTFS.
Sooooo, that's it in a nutshell. If I have missed anything , I would appreciate any and all input , good or bad. Thank You in advance.
Regards,
Regis Hyde
Storage HardwareWindows 10* Hard Disk
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BLACK THANOS
I'm afraid to ask, but please provide the URL you bought it from? Or official brand/model/type nr.
The directory catalogue has to be updated for every file moved or copied. This catalogue is often at a very different location on the Disk than where the files are. The heads of the disk therefore need to move to that location & write the new info & remove the old info if you moved the files. This takes time. That is the main reason why a large number of small files can take longer to copy or move than one file that is a lot larger than all of those small files. This also makes SSD's faster, as there are no heads to move, the location can be found quicker that way.
Also, if you only copy or move one file at a time, you get the impression it has finished, even though the Directory catalogue is still getting updated. That gets done in the background. When you do more than one file at a time, the system has to wait until that has finished before the next file gets processed.
Also, if you only copy or move one file at a time, you get the impression it has finished, even though the Directory catalogue is still getting updated. That gets done in the background. When you do more than one file at a time, the system has to wait until that has finished before the next file gets processed.
ASKER
Hi Kimputer,
here are the list of external drives on my computer. PHYSICALDRIVE6 is the one that is my H: drive
hddinfo.txt
here are the list of external drives on my computer. PHYSICALDRIVE6 is the one that is my H: drive
hddinfo.txt
ASKER
rindi,
Kindly put into layman terms what you are saying. From what I can gather from your response is that even if I am copying one file at a time, even that process is not complete? So, when I copy two or more files to a folder within the same drive , that's a normal thing?? I have been doing this thing for a long time and I have never had a simple row of small files take 2 seconds. It has always been that way with me.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you are saying for is factual, because you are a professional. I just can't understand why this has never happened to me before. So respectfully, is there a reason this has never been a problem with any newer machine I have ever had? To be fair the machine I have is a renewed(refurbished) computer. I have already had the ssd and optical drive crash. I am in the process of getting a full refund, so I can actually buy a machine whos processor is five years old.
Regis
Kindly put into layman terms what you are saying. From what I can gather from your response is that even if I am copying one file at a time, even that process is not complete? So, when I copy two or more files to a folder within the same drive , that's a normal thing?? I have been doing this thing for a long time and I have never had a simple row of small files take 2 seconds. It has always been that way with me.
Don't get me wrong, I know what you are saying for is factual, because you are a professional. I just can't understand why this has never happened to me before. So respectfully, is there a reason this has never been a problem with any newer machine I have ever had? To be fair the machine I have is a renewed(refurbished) computer. I have already had the ssd and optical drive crash. I am in the process of getting a full refund, so I can actually buy a machine whos processor is five years old.
Regis
You've used the words "copy" and "move" within your question but can you confirm which one you mean?
A copy is going to allocate a new entry in the table that holds all the file listings, find a big-enough chunk of contiguous space, and copy the actual bytes into that space.
A move just needs to update the information in the allocation table and then refresh the view of the current folder to reflect that it no longer holds the files that were moved. That can also include updating the cache of thumbnails for the current folder.
If you're -moving- a row of files, then one way to see if you're just hitting the overhead of the folder refresh is to try moving the 7 or so files via the command line (e.g. a batch file) and see if they move instantly.
A copy is going to allocate a new entry in the table that holds all the file listings, find a big-enough chunk of contiguous space, and copy the actual bytes into that space.
A move just needs to update the information in the allocation table and then refresh the view of the current folder to reflect that it no longer holds the files that were moved. That can also include updating the cache of thumbnails for the current folder.
If you're -moving- a row of files, then one way to see if you're just hitting the overhead of the folder refresh is to try moving the 7 or so files via the command line (e.g. a batch file) and see if they move instantly.
ASKER
Hi gr8gonzo,
My mistake. I mean moving the files to the directories above. I will try the batch file.
My mistake. I mean moving the files to the directories above. I will try the batch file.
Also I'm disappointed that L: is not ANTMAN.
ASKER
Hahahahaah. That was a good one. I will make it so gr8gonzo
ASKER
Hi gr8gonzo,
You were right. I created a batch file (cmd) . I have two monitors , so I put the command prompt with the move command on the right screen and the GUI on the left screen. I pressed enter and the files were moved instantaneously. So where does that leave me,. because I have never had 7 files take 2 seconds in my life.
Regards
Regis (BLACKTHANOS) Hyde
You were right. I created a batch file (cmd) . I have two monitors , so I put the command prompt with the move command on the right screen and the GUI on the left screen. I pressed enter and the files were moved instantaneously. So where does that leave me,. because I have never had 7 files take 2 seconds in my life.
Regards
Regis (BLACKTHANOS) Hyde
Ok, given that, my next question is about how many files you have in your current folder (the one you're moving files FROM). If you have a lot, then it might simply be the overhead in Windows Explorer trying to update the current view.
And while a lot less likely, there's always the possibility of malware involvement, hooking into explorer as a module.
If you wanted to get a better idea of some of the file system activity involved in the move, you might be able to download and run Process Monitor (procmon) from Microsoft's Sysinternals. It records a TON of info, so you have to be quick about it, but basically you enable the capture in the tool and immediately perform the move in both explorer and then another move via a batch file, and go back to procmon and disable the capture. Then in the procmon log, go search for the first filename you moved and make notes about what things are happening until you get to the second file.
Then search for the first file you moved with the command prompt and see what's happening until you get to the next file.
Then compare the activity.
And while a lot less likely, there's always the possibility of malware involvement, hooking into explorer as a module.
If you wanted to get a better idea of some of the file system activity involved in the move, you might be able to download and run Process Monitor (procmon) from Microsoft's Sysinternals. It records a TON of info, so you have to be quick about it, but basically you enable the capture in the tool and immediately perform the move in both explorer and then another move via a batch file, and go back to procmon and disable the capture. Then in the procmon log, go search for the first filename you moved and make notes about what things are happening until you get to the second file.
Then search for the first file you moved with the command prompt and see what's happening until you get to the next file.
Then compare the activity.
ASKER
Wow, that is a lot of work. I appreciate your thoroughness gr8gonzo. I have worked with Sysinternals Procmon for a number of years and even back then it was a headache.
Would I have the same overhead if I went out and bought an ssd drive (This time I wont be scammed). My first exposer to ssd drives was a nightmare , and I am happy the Experts Exchange community helped me with the discovery of the fake 2tb ssd drives. I bought two of them for $42 dollars a piece.
If this could be a solution, I would appreciate any of the experts in this forum to make a recommendation for an ssd given the specs I gave above, but I will review them here. In the back of my computer I have five USB drives with only one being super speed. I have four front end USB port with two of them being super speed.
If you need more info just let me know.
Would I have the same overhead if I went out and bought an ssd drive (This time I wont be scammed). My first exposer to ssd drives was a nightmare , and I am happy the Experts Exchange community helped me with the discovery of the fake 2tb ssd drives. I bought two of them for $42 dollars a piece.
If this could be a solution, I would appreciate any of the experts in this forum to make a recommendation for an ssd given the specs I gave above, but I will review them here. In the back of my computer I have five USB drives with only one being super speed. I have four front end USB port with two of them being super speed.
If you need more info just let me know.
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Good evening gr8gonzo, you have certainly earned your way into my respect. I never realized their were so many factors that go into using both hdds and ssds. At the end of the day however, (you are going to think I'm stupid), it was your suggestion to use different third party tools. I used TeraCopy and I plugged Vision into one of the super fast usb ports and to my surprise and glee the files moved right away into any of the folders I chose. You are a full grown wunderkind.Thank you for breath and width of your explanations.
Regards
Regis Hyde (You must have the Infinity Gauntlet with the stones)
Regards
Regis Hyde (You must have the Infinity Gauntlet with the stones)
Well, I was hoping to get you to a point where Windows Explorer would do the job. The third party tool suggestion was just to try and improve the odds of the suggestion that it was somehow specific to Explorer. However, if that works for you, then I'm glad to hear it!
I'm missing a stone, but that's what eBay is for.
I'm missing a stone, but that's what eBay is for.
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FUNNY!!! LMAOF