EC,

Windows 10 is a solid operating system. I know you don't want to hear this but my advice would be to stick with 10 on that computer

nono. I want to hear, my first Windows 11 is office PC and I only  START to use it last week, so I have my home PC stlll on Windows 10.

 (I have a new PC running Windows 11 and I still have my laptop with Windows 10)

me the same ! the other laptop at home forced to upgrade to Windows 11, PC still on Windows 10, once  I have office PC upgraded to 11, I found it is faster on creating and killing  Chrome threads , much faster than Windows 10, so I just try to upgrade home PC too to Windows 11 and I see these message.

so both, there are no way for me to upgrade the home PC to windows 11 and just stay on Windows 10 ?

The hack may work with older Windoze 11 iso's so look for the older versions. I have managed to use the hack & it worked, but one thing that is important, you need an UEFI BIOS, & also secure boot. I wasn't able to get it to work with a conventional BIOS (which naturally doesn't support Secure-Boot).

Once installed on an old W11 iso, you can upgrade to the newest version & it still works, but of course you can never be sure how long that will be the case.

I haven't noticed much speed differences, & you will be forced to go to Windoze 11 (or another OS, like Linux) anyway by 2025, which isn't that far off. Windoze 10 will be out of support then, & as you all know, using an unsupported OS is a no go.

MS wants a bit more control (granted, it's for security reasons), and that means indeed you cannot update your Win10 to Win11 with the setup.

However, I've done new Win11 installs on older hardware, and they're still being updated (despite the warning from MS it wouldn't).

Therefore your current option is, if you really want Win11, is to do a fresh install.

The hack may work with older Windoze 11 iso's so look for the older versions. I have managed to use the hack & it worked

good idea! but how can I find the old one, we are forced to downlaod the latest one, right?

 you need an UEFI BIOS, & also secure boot.

why is it?  I don't have it either.

Kimputer,

Therefore your current option is, if you really want Win11, is to do a fresh install.

oh,,,, sorry is not an option for me.

then this means I have to wait for the AMD threadrippper CPU with PCI -E 5 support, then I will upgrade the hardwrae.

I think it is important to emphasize a point that was mentioned above.  It may be possible that you could go through the process of getting past the Windows 11 requirements and get it to work.  Not having UEFI and Secure Boot may be obstacles that you can't avoid, though.

In any case, if you get through the process successfully, there is no guarantee that a later update won't spoil your efforts and cause Windows 11 to quit booting.  You may or may not be able to work past that.

An alternative, if you have Windows 10 Pro, is to set up Hyper-V and run Windows 11 as a VM.  That very likely requires another Windows license to be legal and will have some limitations.

It is still possible to download older versions, but if you don't Have UEFI or Secure-Boot, then there is no point in trying. If I remember correctly, with the USB boot utility Rufus you can also download older copies of Windoze.

ok, let me try rufus, I remember this tools

then this means I have to wait for the AMD threadrippper CPU with PCI -E 5 support, then I will upgrade the hardwrae.

Well then the options are clear. That CPU will be most likely out within months. So instead of doing the migration twice, why not stick with Win10, and do the upgrade only when the hardware has been upgraded as well?

So instead of doing the migration twice, why not stick with Win10, and do the upgrade only when the hardware has been upgraded as well?

my thinking is, as the new OS will detect new hardware but not Windows 10, then I can do

1) upgrade to Windows 11 first

2) upgrade hardware

3) let Windows 11 redetect the new hardware as it support new hardware.

should be better?

what if Winodws 10 can't detect my new AMD CPU as it is so new and what if it can't even support PCI-E 5 chip ?

it seems do not allow me to download old Windows 11 iso..

is that right ?

and this one:

I should download 21H2 or 21Hv1 ?

one concern, I am using Windows 10 22H2, then how come I can downgrade myself to windows 11 21H2? 

will it works ? I prepared to upgrade it to 21H2 V1 after this upgrade but now I have the above worry.

and I am not sure if once install 21H2, then I upgrade to 21H2 V1 or 22H2 and it will stop me from do it by the SAME hardware check....

Win 11 21H2 is not a downgrade from Windows 10 22H2.  It is the version of Windows 11 that came out in the second half of 2021 where the Windows 10 version you mention came out in the second half of 2022.  Windows 11 is an upgrade from Windows 10, regardless of the release dates.


"will it works?": as mentioned above, it might or might not, but can't be counted on to continue in the future when running on an unsupported system, especially when it requires workarounds simply to get it to install.

" it will stop me from do it by the SAME hardware check": that's one of the warnings that has been mentioned above that may cause you trouble in the future.

My opinion stick with windows 10.   I doubt Microsoft will drop support in 2025. Heck it was not until January 10, 2023, that Microsoft ended security updates and technical support for Windows 7 Service Pack 1 (SP1).  Windows 7 launched in 2009 all support was supposed to end in 2019.    And their newer OSs at the time supported most older hardware just fine.

The situation for Windows 10 (launched in 2015) is more complex, because millions of PCs, just a few years old can't run Windows 11.  That was not the case with successors to Windows 7.

Microsoft customers (very big to very small) will have a lot fewer options and be a lot less happy in 2025 than they were in 2019 over Windows 7.  Microsoft, IMHO will need to  extend support into the early 2030s. (another 5-7 years).   Its more practical than trying to add support for those PCs into Windows 11.  

CompProbSolv,

 It is the version of Windows 11 that came out in the second half of 2021 where the Windows 10 version you mention came out in the second half of 2022.  Windows 11 is an upgrade from Windows 10, regardless of the release dates.

good direction but my concern is , how can I UPGRADE from a newer windows 10 to and 1 year old Windows 11, this is the concern...

" it will stop me from do it by the SAME hardware check": that's one of the warnings that has been mentioned above that may cause you trouble in the future.

and then the VERY important thing is, once I ugraded to 21H2, I can't upgraded to 21H2 v1 and 22H2.... 

" from a newer windows 10 to and 1 year old Windows 11": I don't think that you are going from a newer release of 10 to an older release of 11 is a particular issue.  Either your computer can have 11 21H2 installed (with whatever patches or hacks are necessary) or not.  I would not expect that the version of 10 from which you are upgrading is important.

"once I ugraded to 21H2, I can't upgraded to 21H2 v1 and 22H2": I'm not understanding if that is a statement or a question.  I don't think you'll know if that upgrade (or any future one) is possible until you try it.

How big is your storage device?  If you want to be safe, copy it to a different device (HDs and SSDs are fairly inexpensive unless very high capacity), test the new device to be sure that it works, and then try whatever upgrades you want.  That will give you the real answer, something that the rest of us can generally only speculate on.

22H2 indicates when the version was released.  It only indicates newer/older for the specific windows version (Win 10) and has no relationship to Windows 11 newness.

Maybe you are also getting mixed up between W10 & 11, as both have similar versions.

I have been able to upgrade from hardware that was unsupported with the hack to Windoze 11 from Windoze 10, & also to the newest version of Windoze 11, but I have no idea if that still works if you do it now.

You also seem to want to upgrade to Windoze 11 now on unsupported hardware, then later buy hardware that does support Windoze 11. That makes no sense at all. When you get the new hardware Windoze 11 will probably be installed on it already anyway.

tks all,

CompProbSolv,

.  I don't think you'll know if that upgrade (or any future one) is possible until you try it.

I just worry it is too late to know once I upgraded to 21H2

How big is your storage device?  If you want to be safe, copy it to a different device (HDs and SSDs are fairly inexpensive unless very high capacity), test the new device to be sure that it works, and then try whatever upgrades you want.

I don't have other similar hardware to try, it is about motherboard and CPU.

fred hakim,

ok. the binary version has no relationship between Windows 10 and 11

rindi,

I have been able to upgrade from hardware that was unsupported with the hack to Windoze 11 from Windoze 10, & also to the newest version of Windoze 11

and you are saying there are no problems found at all?

but I have no idea if that still works if you do it now.

this is the only thing I planed to do:

1) upgrade from 10 to 11 21H2

2)once it is done I will try to upgrade from 11 21h2 to 22H2 .

3) if 2) is not ok, I will upgrade from 11 21h2 to 21h2 v1.

this is it .

 That makes no sense at all. When you get the new hardware Windoze 11 will probably be installed on it already anyway.

non, new PC hardware without Windows 11, and reuse all existing disk, ONLY botherobard, CPU and RAM is new.

"I just worry it is too late to know": it seems that we're not getting the point across.  It will always be "too late to know".  You may be able to do the upgrade, but there is no guarantee that it will continue to work in the future.

"I don't have other similar hardware to try": I didn't make my point well.  The only hardware I was suggesting that you add is a new storage device (HD or, preferably, SSD).  Do a copy from your existing storage device to the new one.  Replace your old storage device with the new one and confirm that it boots as expected.  Then do the upgrade to one or the other of the storage devices.  You'll find out if the upgrade works while always having a fallback to the other storage device if it does not.  No one here can tell you for sure if the upgrade will work.  This gives you a way to find out with little risk.

hi,

CompProbSolv,

 No one here can tell you for sure if the upgrade will work.  This gives you a way to find out with little risk.

of course! but it seems rindi very close to what I am looking for as he did the same thing.

I have had no problems yet, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way, maybe the next upgrade will no longer work.

If you change the mainboard, you still have a "new" PC, even if you keep some parts of the old one. The new mainboard will require a new license for the OS, that will mean the upgrade is of no value with that board & you will have to get a new Windoze license anyway. Licenses aren't valid on when you run the OS on a new Board.

I have had no problems yet, but that doesn't mean it will stay that way, maybe the next upgrade will no longer work

and you upgraded to 21H2 first, then 21H2 V1 and then upgrade again to 22H2 ?

stable than Windows 10 ? 

I heard that in this way, it just can't detect some new minor patch by Windows update and/or we have to manually download the patch and install it manually ?

The new mainboard will require a new license for the OS, that will mean the upgrade is of no value with that board 

the winodws 10 is a retain version from Windows 8, I use it for a long long time.

retain version( not OEM) works on new hardware right?

OEM is not going to work I knew, I tried that but it will just require you to activate the license again (I also tried that on laptop OEM version of Windows 10), and it can redetect new hardware.

Licenses aren't valid on when you run the OS on a new Board.

once I have a new board then buy a new Windows 11 license then.... still works after that, just buy from Windows store and get a new key and reactivate again?

for me,I found out now windows 11 22h2 has more apps update than windows 10 22H2

I don't remember which Windoze 11 release I originally upgraded to from Windoze, but probably it was the first or 2nd one that became available. After that I have done all the updates & upgrades.

I guess Windoze 10 & 11 are both similarly stable, I don't really use those OS's, it was more for testing purposes & to be able to help if there is any need. Most of the time I use Linux as OS, and even if I need to use Windoze , I run that as VM's under Linux, so I don't have to reboot into my multiboot system. Besides that, if you are running other OS's as VM's it is easier to make screenshots if needed. Normally I only actually boot the PC to Windoze 10 or 11 to do the updates...

Retail Windoze 8 might work on new hardware, if you first deactivate the license on the old hardware. But I don't know if the upgrades to new windoze versions would also be correctly licensed & activated on a new Mainboard. A doubt that would be the case. Probably you would have to install Windoze 8 first on the new Board, upgrade to Windoze 10, then from that to Windoze 11 all over again to get it properly activated & licensed. But I don't know whether the free upgrades will still work at that time.

I never buy or install anything from the M$ Store.

The M$ Windoze Crapps I don't need. I uninstall most of them. Some that can't be removed directly, I can still remove with the Revo uninstaller, crapps like Cortana or all the XBox stuff etc.

Retail Windoze 8 might work on new hardware, if you first deactivate the license on the old hardware

no need, once you move to new hardware you will see activate windows in the lower right hand conner!

I'm not sure it was clear earlier, but Windows 10 (and 11) activation information is tied to the hardware, no matter if its OEM or Direct.  There are tools available to extract your keys.  

As long as you install or reinstall on the PC the same version (home, Pro, Enterprise) any Windows 10 or 11 PC will automagically be activated.  

I don't understand your reason to upgrade from 10 to 11, especially with unsupported hardware.  You have identified no capability in 11 you need that is not available in 10 (there are not many anyway).  Windows 10 (at least in my experience) is more stable and predictable than Windows 11 (M$ is working on the issues, but they persist).

As I said earlier, Microsoft is going to have a mutiny on its hands in 2025, because people with perfectly good PCs just a few years old will no longer be supported.  They will have to do one of two things, support the older PCs in 11 or extend 10 another 5-7 years.  

Except as a learning or testing exercise, I wouldn't risk running 11 on unsupported hardware -- Some driver update or functional patch down the road could unexpectedly break your PC!

rind,

If it says "Windows is activated with a digital licence" then this won't transfer and you'll need a new licence .  This is normally the case when there's an OEM upgrade or a retail upgrade but there are some 8.1 upgrades to 10 that exist which will recognise the 8.1 key at install still.

Sorry that I might confuse you, I meant the PC I upgraded is already upgraded from a retain version of Windows 8 and I keep upgrading it until now , it is Windows 10 22h2 and this is the one I want to upgrade to Windows 11.

☠ MASQ,

If it says "Windows is activated with a digital licence" then this won't transfer and you'll need a new licence .  This is normally the case when there's an OEM upgrade or a retail upgrade but there are some 8.1 upgrades to 10 that exist which will recognise the 8.1 key at install still.

fred hakim,

I don't understand your reason to upgrade from 10 to 11, especially with unsupported hardware.  You have identified no capability in 11 you need that is not available in 10 (there are not many anyway)

I didn't say it ! once I upgraded office PC to Windows 11, the UI works better! we work from home using remote desktop connection and once connected, Windows 11 reorganise the UI much faster than Windows 10, 

if I have 48 Edge/ chrome tab open when browser launch, Windows 11 allow me much better application response,... e..g Window 10 takes neraly 1 mintues to stop all browser from running while windows 11 only take 3-4 sec...

So I tried to also upgrade home Windows 10 PC for that.

Some driver update or functional patch down the road could unexpectedly break your PC!

this is my concern too !

and what I also foudn out is, the SAMe application, on Windows 11, response much faster than on Windows 10,  ON THE SAME hardware.

Once you have a windows 10 key tied to the PC, that PC will activate if you upgrade to 11, that should not be an issue.  

I didn't see anything about the model of the PC you want to upgrade, but if its not too old, some addon TPM2.0 modules are available for many popular motherboards.  
See: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/where-to-buy-tpm-2.0-for-windows-11

fred hakim,

Once you have a windows 10 key tied to the PC, that PC will activate if you upgrade to 11, that should not be an issue.  

what i Know long time ago is, only OEM need to purchase the license agian.

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/where-to-buy-tpm-2.0-for-windows-11

tks and it is a good idea.

but one thing is, NORMALLY my XEON CPU also not supported, and this only give me pass 1 x requirement only!

next time I should buy Xeon scaleable CPU v3 or AMD Threadripper.

May I know what kind of connection is this kind of plug in TPM module ?

It looks like a motherboard USB header.  Of course it could be a special socket on the specific mobo supported.  You would need to contact the seller.  Probably easier to do that from eBay.  But if your CPU is not supported, then the TPM card is not going to matter.

so CPU do not support it and it ONLY means can't upgrade at all ? or a can't go back trial .. 

I am not going to go for it until I have no choice

May I know what is the official way to rollback Windows 11 21H2 V1 to Windows 10 22H2 if ,after upgrade from the unsupported windows 10 22H2 PC, Windows 11 do not perform well? 

Just do a fresh installation.

nono, I need to keep everything I install  and my files.

You can reverse the upgrade for 10 days after installing.  After that the Win 10 recovery files are automatically removed by the operating system to free up space.

Beyond 10 days (once the backup is deleted) you're pretty much stuck with 11 or reinstalling.

https://www.dell.com/support/kbdoc/en-uk/000192019/how-to-roll-back-windows-11-upgrade-to-a-previous-operating-system