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https://www.theverge.com/2019/11/15/20966237/google-chrome-white-tab-screen-crash-experiment-it-admins

Looks like Goog fixed it last night, but any of you Citrix admins whose users were having issues should be ok now.

Interesting that m78 broke something with SEP too :yikes:
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Browser Tips Update

Further to my last post about testing a variety of browser performance statistics, I've recently discovered something that I think may be of use to other EE members.

When using Google Chrome as my default browser along with a variety of different AdBlocking extensions, visiting a page like this one: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ returns the following error after about 36 ads have been blocked. All further reading is prevented unless the site is whitelisted.

Google Chrome with Adblock Plus Extension
However, visiting the same page with the Brave Browser I can view the site and read any articles on there without ads and without triggering the Ad Blocker warning.

The site (along with a few others I've stumbled across) does not appear to recognize the built-in AdBlocker in Brave. How long that will remain to be the case I'm not sure.

I've also confirmed (from my own tests) that Brave is by far the quickest browser to use on Social Media sites like Facebook. Nowhere near the number of slowdowns that I experience with Google Chrome (or other browsers) that I've tested so far.

Further, using this extension (credit to McKnife for finding it) you can also leave Google Chrome as the default browser if you want to, yet easily send links to the Brave browser when needed. Works a treat here :)

I hope this little tidbit of information helps you out.

Regards, Andrew
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Hot Tip - Cant select Browser of Choice as default in Windows 10 - (Build 1809) - Here's the Fix

As Windows 10 (Build 1809) is being pushed by Microsoft now, a lot of folks are finding that they can't change the browser of their choice to be the default any more and that Microsoft Edge is maybe the only browser available to set as default in Settings > Default Apps

This actually happened to me after upgrading to Build 1809 and after doing a fair bit of troubleshooting, I finally found a fix. Follow the steps below:

1.   Open each browser you have with right-clicking its shortcut and selecting Run as Administrator

2.  When the browser opens, it should prompt you to be made default - Click that Prompt to say yes.

3.  Do this with each browser you want to reappear in SettingsDefault apps - then close the browser and do the same with the next one you want to appear in Default Apps again. Rinse and repeat for all of your browsers.

4. Proof that this works is in the screenshot below. After upgrading my 1803 Build to 1809, the "only" browser I was able to select as default was Microsoft Edge (Yuck!)  After going through the steps above, I can now select any browsers I have to be the default browsere at will.

Default Browsers Screen





Hope this helps you out.

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Google Chrome is hopeless for reading social media - Preliminary findings below

I am currently undertaking a comparison of 6 Web Browsers which will eventually be turned into an article of my findings - most likely once Microsoft Edge has been reincarnated into the planned Chromium based platform.

In the meantime, thought I'd share a preliminary finding that is quite definitive when reading Social Media - Facebook in particular.

Using Google Chrome on Windows 10 (64-bit) in my case, you may be finding that if browsing Facebook for a while, as you keep scrolling down your feed, it will get slower, and slower, and slower, until the point where is gets so frustratingly slow, that you end up closing Chrome completely, re-opening it and starting again, at which point speed returns to normal.

Sound familiar? Keep reading.

Doing the same tests with the Brave Browser, I have noted none of the noticeable slow downs in performance of Facebook pages when used for the the same amount of time. The same has proven true to some extent on YouTube, though tests on YouTube and other social media platforms have not been as extensive yet.

My preliminary finding is as follows: Dump Chrome for Social Media like Facebook and YouTube and use the Brave browser for that purpose instead. It makes a *huge* difference on my system.

For the sake of completeness, by "quite some time", I'm talking
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I manage multiple FB business pages and am on FB a lot. I don't notice any slowness except when my internet is poor (like when I am in the country)

I downloaded Brave. It is a Chromium browser with ad blocking and that is why it seems faster.   I looked at some others that did a write up and it seems it is faster (because of the ad blocking) but not the speed up it shows.  

Perhaps it would be good to explain what is does, the motivation for publishers etc and that it is in infancy, something to watch for.
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by:Andrew Leniart
Thanks for your interest Scott.

I don't notice any slowness except when my internet is poor (like when I am in the country)

I initially put it down to that until I started doing browser comparisons. Internet speed can certainly be a factor but it doesn't make sense (to me) why FB reduces itself to a crawl after a couple of hours of 'continuous use', yet if Chrome is completely closed out and reopened - speed and page response times instantly return to normal. How would you explain that?

I downloaded Brave. It is a Chromium browser with ad blocking and that is why it seems faster.   I looked at some others that did a write up and it seems it is faster (because of the ad blocking) but not the speed up it shows.

Yep, good point and one I've taken into consideration. I've used two add-blockers with Chrome - uBlock Origin and AdBlock Plus and have even had them set to their highest levels. If it's ads that are causing the problem, then either Brave has an outstanding ad blocker that far exceeds the performance of the two third party ones I've used, (only one at a time of course) or those two ad blockers are the cause of the slow downs. Nothing else makes sense to me. What's your take on that?

Perhaps it would be good to explain what is does, the motivation for publishers etc and that it is in infancy, something to watch for.

A bit beyond my skill set unfortunately. I'm doing these comparison exercises from a user standpoint - the internals of the browsers and how they work I only have a very elementary understanding of.

Thanks for your input into this - appreciated.

Regards, Andrew
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Setting a remember me or remember password, makes our lives easy as we don't have to type password each and every time we visit that website. But this doesn't only make our lives easy but also hackers or just ordinary people who may had always wanted to get let say your www.aaa.com password, but just because you have set a remember password, someone might come visit that website and click login so the login form will appear.

Once the login appear because your browser knows your credentials for that website it will load it and fill the fields. Yes the password can't be copied in that stage in that format which is dotted but by just right clicking the password element and select Inspect element and on the Inspector panel change the element type from password to text like this change
type="password"

Open in new window

to
type="text"

Open in new window

and press enter don't refresh the page but now just look at the password element you will notice that it has changed from ...... (dotted) to plain text and you can see what the password is, can now copy the password.

Once you know or have copied the password you can login in to that website even on any device or browser. This is a problem indeed because it means even if we do want to let the browser remember our passwords but other people will be able to see it so what could be the solution to those who want the browser to remember their password?

Good news is that there is a solution which can be used by web developers for …
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Finally hit level 18 :D

Incidentally, for those of you not already aware

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/10/09/chrome_70_symantec_cert_disavowal/

Recommend you have a read and then double check your main sites that your colleagues will be using. Just to ensure that this doesn't smash you later.

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by:Kyle Santos
Congrats!
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by:Andrew Leniart
Congrats on your levels achievement Alex, well done. Thanks also for the heads up on the article about Symantec's SSL certificates. Hadn't heard about that till now so found it a highly informative read.

Best, Andrew
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Windows 10 did a forced update.  All my Chrome browser tabs were gone when I opened Chrome; I had tabs I really needed open to use today.  On a hunch,  I pressed CTRL+SHIFT+T on my keyboard and brought them all back.  That was awesome.
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Fun little situation just happened when a website asked me to use Flash.  (Who uses Flash still, come on Nextiva!)  I was stumped for a bit because I had Flash enabled on my Chrome Browser and the URL that I had allowed was Nextiva's main URL.  Turns out, clicking the URL in an email they sent me is not the same as the URL that was already allowed so I had to go to chrome://settings/content/flash and add a second Nextiva URL to get the page to work that I clicked from a link in an email.

Fun times.  Thanks for the help with this one, Junior!
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Though I've always had FireFox installed, Google Chrome has been my default browser for quite some time now.  For the last few hours, I've been using the latest release of Firefox. It wouldn' update properly for me so I uninstalled and reinstalled. I must say I'm impressed so far. Browsing speed has definitely improved, all my add-ons still work.  I've just made it default browser for a while.. will be interesting to see Google's answer to this release :)

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by:Andrew Leniart
Well that was a short Trial.  If you have the grammarly.com extension enabled in Firefox v58.0 (64 bit), the formatting toolbar dissapears when you try to answer questions or do anything else on Experts Exchange.

I rely on that extension, so until it's fixed, back to Chrome I go :)
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Documentation on Google's Developer Site was recently updated to specify that Googlebot's web rendering technology is based on Chrome version 41:
https://developers.google.com/search/docs/guides/rendering

So if you really want to see how your site looks to Googlebot, you'll need to go find an old installer. This could be really helpful for troubleshooting "Crawl Errors" you find in Search Console.
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What’s the first thing you install—or uninstall—on a new system?
The first thing I install on a new PC system (other than OS & drivers) is usually a tie between the Chrome browser and Blizzard's Battle.net client, closely followed by Adobe Lightroom and Photoshop. On my Mac, I skip straight to Lightroom and Photoshop, since I'm happy with Safari and don't try to game much on that system (that's what the PC is for ;-)

As for uninstalling, usually nothing... My last PC was a custom build so there wasn't any junk on it and Macs are great about not having anything I don't want.
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by:Brian Matis
Yeah, definitely got to take care of all the OS and driver patches first! What do you do after all that?
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by:Shalom Carmel
I don't install PCs for a living, and only do that for select family members: myself, children, wife and mother in law.
Everybody gets Chrome, Office and Adobe Acrobat reader.
Then for each their tools of trade. This is the list of first installations as happened during the past year.

For me:
* Virtual box, Git, JDK, Python, Jetbrains IDE, curl, whois, dig, jq, notepad++, skype, mumble and Eve Online

For my mother in law:
* OE Classic

For my wife:
* Photoshop, Invision, Premiere

For my son:
* Minecraft, Netflix

For my daughter:
* Matlab, Netflix
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What’s the first thing you install—or uninstall—on a new system?
Install - Chrome
Uninstall - Nothing.  I don't buy pre-loaded software machines; I install my own OS.
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by:John
I do not have any issue at all with Windows 10 Pro preinstalled OEM by Lenovo. BIG HUGE waste of time to blow it away and spend a day redoing it for nothing.

Latterly only one piece of Lenovo software bit the dust (Lenovo Solution Center) which was replaced with a better piece of software. Voluntary (optional) Lenovo software need not be installed and I do not.
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by:Maclean
It is a personal preference really in the end. It does not bug some as much as others,
One might have plenty of resources and decide that it has little to no impact on their experience.
So whether it is a waste of time depends on what one wants from their system.
Personally I prefer max performance and security. The fewer 3rd party apps or vendor apps, the better.

Lenovo is not as bad as some other firms with their own apps but has also been tapped by for example Duo due to big security vulnerabilities in software allowing hackers to bypass protection software and take over control.
Being security focused this translates into my person preferences.

In the end a full system rebuild takes me between 1.5-2 hours average including patches & configuring things plus transferring data where applicable. (Talking SSD. SATA takes more time indeed)
e.g. if I buy HP, Dell, Lenovo OEM I would first need to upgrade to Creator update, then remove optional SW, Trials, Games and more.
That update process itself takes me as long as simply having the ISO already and doing it from scratch.
That was where my point of view comes from :)
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A little background, I keep getting errors in google Chrome (NXDOMAIN, DNS Probe errors).  

I keep getting a 8012 Event ID error code 9005 when I flush and then register DNS on WIN 10 machines.  
I have setup a reverse DNS zone and see the PTR records for those very machines fill the list.  

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
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Chrome: Select Multiple Tabs
Here's a fantastic Google Chrome trick I just learned: you can Ctrl-Click to select multiple tabs at once. Then you can move them around or break them out into a new window as a group. Give it a try! Seriously great and simple trick that I never knew about (and probably should have, given that Ctrl-Click is so common for multi-select in plenty of other applications).

Don't hold out on me EE, what sort of simple tricks like this do you know about?
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by:Brian Matis
Ctrl + Shift + TCtrl + Shift + N, good ones!

The Windows + Shift + Arrow keys one doesn't seem to do anything for me though... Is that for virtual screens on Windows 10?
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by:Craig Kehler
Sorry only left and right arrows to switch which monitor the current foreground application is displayed on.
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Just needed to recover an "asterisked" key from a web page.  Dug up a neat little trick that should also illustrate why saving passwords in web browsers isn't secure... Using Chrome (I've heard rumor it also works in firefox but haven't tested), right click on the text box with the asterisks and select "inspect element".  Now look at the right at the highlighted text.  
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by:Kyle Santos
Hmm, I don't see my password.  Guess I'm OK. =)
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What technology will not last?:
Anything that Google puts out that is not related to Search, Advertising, Chrome browser, Apps for work, err, I mean gSuite or Android.   Most anything else is not worth trying to learn or grasp because just after you adopt it's gone.  Voice, Talk, Hangouts, Messenger - Pick one dammit!  I'm so confused.
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by:Scott Fell
I have worked with many smaller businesses from professional offices, universities, regional home builders, remodeling companies, insurance, small teaching studios, hospitals, and retail.   A couple of things that really stands out for those that are successful are focusing and going all in.    

For any of these that tried something by testing the waters with a toe dip, they end up failing and never had a chance of success.  For any that went "all in", there was success.  

I worked with 3 start ups that branched off from the same place to go on their own.  Two where gun shy, didn't put enough effort into marketing and ended up blowing whatever money they did put in. The third acted as if they were taking over the region and their marketing efforts reflected that.  This company went to $10MM in sales within a couple of years.    Probably closer to home for many, try taking Google's offer for free initial $100 in PPC ads and keep that budget for a few months.  Your going to fail.  Now try to dominate in your market and for many micro local businesses, that is going to mean spending $1,000 to $5,000 monthly on PPC.  Assuming they have a good system to keep people in the funnel moving towards a sale, they will succeed.  There is a point where you are just pissing into the wind throwing your  money out and no return.  

With many of these Google products, to the outsider, it feels like they do not go all in.  Inbox for instance.  It's a nice front end, but you can't use it 100% as is, you have to use the gmail interface.  Google+, I feel was not focused. They tried to do too many things at once with it.  A business was forced to have a g+ account, which took over for Google local and that alone was very confusing.  I did not like that aspect of it, but did enjoy the groups that were for development. It was a good way to learn about new items.  

My point with Google is, if they are going to put something out, go all in or go back to labs and say it is not a full fledged product yet and may never be.  When it is ready to come out of beta/labs, then go all in and dominate like they have the ability to.  Instead, it feels like they throw a bunch of stuff against the wall to see what sticks with no conscience to those that tried to adopt.
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> or go back to labs
  I meant, go back to using the now defunct Google Labs
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there's a problem with the personall billing web page.

I've tried Chrome, Firefox and IE and all three won't work.  The problem is when I go to remove a billing method.  It puts the Yes/No question text on top each other.  As a result it's impossible to remove old charge cards.
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This issue has now been fixed. Please go ahead and try it now, thanks!
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by:Lucas Bishop
The acquiring company inserts adware into thousands of people's browsers and they begin earning revenue from ad-clicks and affiliate sales. Eventually people notice and uninstall the extension.

It's a pump and dump scheme. Short term they multiply profits. Long term the extension goes in the trash.
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by:Brian Matis
This is why we can't have nice things... :-(
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Long ago, I was a pretty big advocate for Firefox. I even had the t-shirt to prove it! After Chrome came out however, it eventually won me over. It's been so long I can barely even remember the key reasons, but I'm pretty sure it had to do with streamlined UI and better performance.

Lately though, Chrome's performance is starting to annoy me and this recent update to Firefox is pretty intriguing... Any of you still prefer Firefox? Have any feedback on the new update?
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by:Jackie Man
I only use Firefox when I need to download files using the add-ons.

In Firefox, there are many free add-ons from web page translation, FTP, Green printing....

My work computer is Win 7 Pro 64 bit and my home computer is Win 10 Home 64 bit. The mostly used browser is Chrome as I often use Chrome Remote Desktop to my office computer. Besides, as you may see from my profile, I use a mix of numerous Android devices and Chrome will definitely help a lot to continue my work when I switch devices.
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by:Brian Matis
Definitely makes sense to stick with Chrome if you're primarily using a lot of Android devices!
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by:Craig Kehler
One could say this was very "Brave" of them ;)
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by:Brian Matis
@Lucas - Gotta wonder if Google will start to run afoul of some of the anti-trust / monopoly issues that hit Microsoft in the late 90's/early 00's. Definitely seeing some similarities here... They could potentially have a strong enough browser monopoly to stop other ad provider systems. But then again, I don't think Chrome has a strong enough position to really be considered a monopoly the way that Windows was.
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Chrome is a free web browser created by Google. Originally released in 2008, it has grown to become the most used desktop web browser (as of October 2016).