Alternatives to the Xmarks.com Bookmarks Synchronization Service

I just got an email notification stating the Xmarks is retiring as of May 1, 2018, and that after this date, no one will have access to their account and that their account will be deleted.

Xmarks Notification
I consider this a huge shame as it's one of my favorite Bookmarks Syncronizing Utilities because it works across all browsers and does the job very well.

So, I'm now looking for an alternative that works just as well.

If you have experience with a similar service, either free or paid, please share it here.

Your recommendations appreciated.

Regards, Andrew
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Anthony GarciaDevops StaffCommented:
I typically use chrome only so I just sign into to my google account to have the bookmarks sync. I know firefox supports something similar now with their firefox sync account, but I haven't use a cross browser one before.

Whenever I am looking for alternatives I use this site https://alternativeto.net/software/xmarks/
There might be some good leads there.

From what I see eversync might be the best replacement available atm.
 https://www.everhelper.me/synchronizer.php
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Ben KingeryCommented:
I was using Xmarks before but moved to Bookmark OS and am really enjoying it. There's no syncing but it works as a website so it is cross browser and works well on my mobile devises https://bookmarkos.com
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Thanks, Anthony, but I'm really after recommendations by folks that have used the service.

Also, by "All Browsers", I'm talking about my favorite three - Chrome, Firefox and Internet Explorer.

Cheers...
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
@Ben Kingery

Thanks, Ben. I'll take a look at that, but I'd really prefer a syncing service so I don't have to go to a website to get at my bookmarks. I'm happy to pay a subscription for such a service if need be.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
http://pinboard.in/ Paid for but about $1/month worth it IMHO, interface is a bit clunky until you’re used to it.

Also https://raindrop.io/ don’t use it myself but know people who swear by it.
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Thank you much MASQ, will check them both out.

Anyone got any others?
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
I have been using BOOKMAX across a small network and a few laptops for 3 years.
There is a free version with some limitations but I pay €20 a year (total!) for the premium version.

You can create nice hierarchial folder structures for your bookmarks and access them on any computer.
There are nice colour options for folders
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
PARTIAL SCREENSHOT OF MY BOOKMAX FOLDER STRUCTUREPARTIAL SCREENSHOT OF MY FOLDERSYou can download a HTML version of your Bookmax Bookmarks anytime.
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
@Eirman,

That looks like exactly what I'm looking for and the price is reasonable if it will do what I need.

Can you clarify... Does it include plugins/add-ins for browsers so that it synchronizes across them all when changes are made?

I'll check it out but I'd appreciate your advice from personal experience.

Thanks...

Andrew
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
@MASQ

How does pinboard.in do it's syncing. The way I read it, you need to save your bookmarks to a different site and then import them manually with each browser. Am I on the money there or have I got it wrong?

Thanks...
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
So far, http://pinboard.in/ , https://raindrop.io/ , and http://www.bookmax.net/ are all contenders. I'd go the pro plan on the one I settle for. Would love a bit more info on the synchronization process of all of them though. The websites don't explain them very well.
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
The user reviews at https://alternativeto.net/software/xmarks/ don't seem to think much of all three of them and say that all three work nothing like Xmarks... in other words, no cross browser syncing :(  

Here's a typical comment about them
Like Firefox Sync, this is browser specific. Xmarks is cross platform

Tell me they're wrong?
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
Can you clarify... Does it include plugins/add-ins for browsers so that it synchronizes across them all when changes are made?
It uses an addon button. I only use Firefox. I think it will work with any browser. If you add a bookmark in FF and go to Chrome it will be there.

The free account is quite good and has few limitations - give it a shot!
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
Your bookmarks are converted to an internet webpage so there must be synching
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
Pinboard like most services can use a plug-in /add on per browser, sign in and then you see all your bookmarks.

Otherwise use bookmarklet or browse to pinboard and login

It doesn't sync so much as display the links seemlessly from the pinboard.
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
OK I guess there was a lot of synching initially but now I just bookmark straight to my account.
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Have been testing the various suggestions guys.. will be back with an update soon.

Regards, Andrew
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
I tried all of the ones suggested, but none had the functionality that Xmarks did. I eventually settled on BookMax and decided to purchase a 1-year Premium Subscription as importing the hundreds of bookmarks I have was an important feature for me.

BookMax was also the closest to come to the way Xmarks works in so far as giving you an online interface to organize your bookmarks. In truth, in that respect, I actually prefer the online management interface that BookMax gives to the one in Xmarks, though it lacks the ability to restore previously synchronized saves. I also liked the idea of being able to add color schemes to selected bookmarks and grouping them the way it allows.

In conclusion, I don't think BookMax is as convenient as Xmarks was, but I guess that opinion may change as I get more used to using it. I did use Xmarks for a long time after all so I guess I'm still a little biased :)

Thank you Eirman for suggesting BookMax. Great suggestion!

Thanks also to Anthony Garcia. Though your comment didn't really address my question, it "was" a little helpful in so far as the site you pointed me to giving me the ability to read the user reviews of the other suggestions and listing out some other solutions, none of which impressed me though.

Finally, thank you also to MASQ for your comments, suggestions, and explanations to my questions.

I very much appreciate everyone's help and input on this question.

Regards, Andrew
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John ThompsonCommented:
Andrew,

I just found this thread by searching. i'm in the same boat as you, and like you mention there is no real alternative.

This really stinks. one of the biggest pluses for me is that Xmarks stored a history. It's not unusual for me to accidentally delete a bookmark and not even realize I did it for months.

Xmarks allowed me to search my history and find (and restore) old bookmarks if need be.

This really bums me out. I wish we had more time notice, we could have developed a solution but there's nowhere near enough time to do so before EOL of Xmarks.

I remember going through a fear of them shutting down a couple years ago. then LastPass bought them. I've used both for many years.

When LastPass bought them I was relieved. i hadn't started looking for an alternative but they gave us a wide time frame to work with and there was no 'urgency'.

This seems pretty abrupt. not much time to maneuver and it really makes me wonder if I should even be using LastPass anymore. if they're that quick to drop a product that's clearly very important to at least some of the users, am I going to end up in the same boat with LastPass? I've reinstalled Roboform which I hate, but I think at this point I'll just let my premium account die out.

Might sound silly but these two things are too fundamental to my browsing to just 'live with it'
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Might sound silly but these two things are too fundamental to my browsing to just 'live with it'
Doesn't sound silly to me at all John, I feel your pain and loved Xmarks. I even wrote to them asking if I they would reconsider by charing a premium to continue using it - nope, not interested was basically their response, and no, they didn't have any suggestions for an alternative. That really stinks imo! Especially for those that were paying for premium access to the utility and weren't even using Lastpass.

If you're looking into switching password managers, you might enjoy these articles I recently wrote...

Password Managers - 5 of the best reviewed!  (Part 1)

Password Managers - (Part 2) - Final Conclusions
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
And by the way.. though BookMax that I settled on is very good, it doesn't come close to Xmarks imo and I've even got the Premium version of it!

If you ever find anything like Xmarks in your travels, please do ping me and I'll do the same for you.

Regards, Andrew
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Kaitlin CCommented:
I just wanted to drop a note to let folks know that our software RoboForm also supports cross platform bookmark organizing and sync. While we're primarily a password manager, we've always supported the storing of bookmarks into folders just like with passwords.
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John ThompsonCommented:
@Andrew I can't figure out how to reply and quote you. But you're absolutely correct.

I don't see why these 'bookmark managers' can't just adapt the way xmarks did. I don't want a new graphical window, I want my bookmarks the same place they've always been, but i want them archived. i don't see why that is so hard to find.

I did get an email from the authors, "LogMeIn" is who makes xmarks and LastPass. They told me xmarks is open source. but there's just no way to do that in 3 weeks
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John ThompsonCommented:
And andrew thank you so much for that hard work putting that together
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Hi Kaitlin,

I just wanted to drop a note to let folks know that our software RoboForm also supports cross platform bookmark organizing and sync. While we're primarily a password manager, we've always supported the storing of bookmarks into folders just like with passwords.

Thank you for your input - as a long time user and supporter of RoboForm, as well as a Freelance Journalist and Blogger, I've promoted the product many times and I'd be interested in doing an article on how it compares as a Bookmark Manager. Though I've been using it for many years, it's never occurred to me to make it a bookmark manager because it doesn't (so far as I know) actually mirror or update a browser's internal bookmark manager.

That's one of the great things that Xmarks 'automagically' does and that's what I (and I suspect John Thompson and a LOT of others) miss the most about it disappearing on us. Also being able to revert back to previously saved bookmark configurations with the simplicity of clicking a couple of buttons.

With RoboForm, I have a long list of "Logins" (or you may call them bookmarks), but how do I make those appear on my browsers tool bar so I don't *have* to use RoboForm's "Logins" list of sites all the time? How do I make it mirror "some" of the hundreds of logins I have stored in Roboform with each browsers internal bookmark manager? If I choose to delete a bookmark from my browser's toolbar, will that update Roboform's list as well? Will it also then sync that change to the other browser's toolbars I use? Xmarks did all those things and more. Can Roboform?

As a long time user of Roboform, I suspect I know the answers to those questions already, but I'd like to hear what your take on them is? I will place a copy of this reply into a PM for you do that it is emailed to you, but I'd appreciate it if you could give your response in this thread so that others may also benefit from your superior product knowledge.

I look forward to your further input.

Regards,

Andrew Leniart
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Hi John,

I don't see why these 'bookmark managers' can't just adapt the way xmarks did. I don't want a new graphical window, I want my bookmarks the same place they've always been, but i want them archived. i don't see why that is so hard to find.

You're preaching to the choir here :) I agree with you 100% but I've just had an idea.

I've just shared this question on both my Facebook and LinkedIn feeds and I invite you to do the same. Let's get more input from others around the world and not limit this to just current EE members. If you agree, the URL to share is as follows;

https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/29092048/Alternatives-to-the-Xmarks-com-Bookmarks-Synchronization-Service.html

If we can make enough noise about this, perhaps a developer will take up the challenge? You have to start somewhere after all :)

I did get an email from the authors, "LogMeIn" is who makes xmarks and LastPass. They told me xmarks is open source. but there's just no way to do that in 3 weeks

Indeed, I'm hoping getting this thread out there into Social Media may make someone who does have the ability and time notice. What do you think?

And andrew thank you so much for that hard work putting that together

My pleasure, and thank you for weighing in with your valuable comments. If nothing else, it will give LastPass some negative publicity that it probably deserves for what they've done to Xmarks fans.

Regards, Andrew
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John ThompsonCommented:
I've just shared this question on both my Facebook and LinkedIn feeds and I invite you to do the same. Let's get more input from others around the world and not limit this to just current EE members. If you agree, the URL to share is as follows;

https://www.experts-exchange.com/questions/29092048/Alternatives-to-the-Xmarks-com-Bookmarks-Synchronization-Service.html

If we can make enough noise about this, perhaps a developer will take up the challenge? You have to start somewhere after all :)

I'll pass it around as much as possible. I own a design and development studio that promote using a platform called ExpressionEngine so when you say EE it confuses me :).

Honestly the best solution I can see for me is to use the Google sync for now. I had to move away from Firefox due to very specific issues, and i hated it because I prefer things like the Firebug pluing which are now built in. Chrome has a developer tools as well, but i prefer Firefox and all of my developers do too.

But for now, since using the bookmarks bar is the only real solution I can see, I think i'll be stuck with that and just pray i don't need those tools any longer.

All of this would be resolved if Google would just add in archiving. Firefox does the same thing don't they? Allowing you to sync your bookmarks with your account? Obviously they aren't cross browser compatible,  Which is the big deal. up till now of course I just used Xmarks so I don't remember how Firefox handles that.

I really dislike IE but for compatibility in development and design we have no choice but to use it.
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Kaitlin CCommented:
Hello Andrew! To answer your questions:

With RoboForm, I have a long list of "Logins" (or you may call them bookmarks), but how do I make those appear on my browsers tool bar so I don't *have* to use RoboForm's "Logins" list of sites all the time? How do I make it mirror "some" of the hundreds of logins I have stored in Roboform with each browsers internal bookmark manager? If I choose to delete a bookmark from my browser's toolbar, will that update Roboform's list as well? Will it also then sync that change to the other browser's toolbars I use? Xmarks did all those things and more. Can Roboform?

In RoboForm, Bookmarks are an item type similar to Logins (but without a username and password field). They can be searched, sorted, put into folders, pinned, etc. As far as where they show up, in our latest version for Windows, under Options-> General there is a check box that says 'Show Bookmarks and Logins' together. I believe by default this is left unchecked. If so, there will be a Bookmarks menu item on both the button extension, the horizontal toolbar, and the Start Page.

To your other set of questions about whether RoboForm will sync directly to the browser's bookmark repository, the answer is no. For security, all RoboForm data is encrypted behind the Master Password. Likewise, browsers don't exactly make it easy on their end to maintain this Xmarks functionality, and that doesn't seem to be changing (only getting harder in fact). So, while we get that it may be convenient for users to be able to have their bookmarks right on their browsers, the reality is that maintaining this feature across browsers and devices is probably too challenging to maintain. But, from a business continuity point of view, our approach seems more sustainable.

I hope that answers your questions!
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Hi Kaitlin,

As far as where they show up, in our latest version for Windows, under Options-> General there is a check box that says 'Show Bookmarks and Logins' together. I believe by default this is left unchecked.
It's checked on my copy and as I'm almost certain I didn't check it myself, I think it may default to that way. Just having unchecked that option does indeed give me a "Bookmarks" category that I'll do some experimentation with, so that information I find very helpful, which I thank you for.

To your other set of questions about whether RoboForm will sync directly to the browser's bookmark repository, the answer is no.
And there's the rub. It's one of the features of Xmarks that I personally very much enjoyed and can't find in any other bookmarks add-in that I've looked at - and I've looked at a LOT of them now.

So, while we get that it may be convenient for users to be able to have their bookmarks right on their browsers, the reality is that maintaining this feature across browsers and devices is probably too challenging to maintain.
Here I disagree, because Xmarks seemed to be able to achieve that easily and why it was my favorite Bookmarks organizer. It annoys me no end that Lastpass haven't given a "reason" they're just dropping Xmarks. It seems to me that they just don't want to play bookmark organizers anymore, with the only conclusion that "I" can come up with, is that it may have been inhibiting sales of their paid product. Yet if that's the case, why not offer it as a paid option? Curious!

But, from a business continuity point of view, our approach seems more sustainable.
That I can't comment on until I've had an opportunity to explore Bookmarks in Roboform a little more, which rest assured, now that I know it's there, I will most certainly be doing.

Thanks very much for your valuable contribution of information to this discussion Kaitlin. It's been very much appreciated.

Regards, Andrew
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John ThompsonCommented:
I think I'll be re-visiting the bookmarks on RoboForm too. I didn't like the integration previously but that was many years ago so it might have changed.
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Bill PrewCommented:
While I too am going to miss Xmarks, I'm surprised Linkman wasn't mentioned here.  It's a bit different a product, but has a lot of the same functionality, just implemented a bit differently.  And Outertech has been around a long time and supports their software.  UI's aren't state of the art, but I've used Linkman "stand alone" as a way to manage dead bookmarks and maintain a larger database of page links than I need in the browser bookmark list.  It has some useful features...



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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
While I too am going to miss Xmarks, I'm surprised Linkman wasn't mentioned here.
Another excellent suggestion that I'll give a try in one of my VM's.

Thanks for the link Bill.
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Just further to my last comment to Bill Prew's helpful suggestion, commercial developers are also welcome to make a suggestion and provide links to (relevant only) products in this thread.

I'm planning a comprehensive article on this very topic in the future and I'd like to know of anything that anyone (developers included) think that they have a solution that rivals or preferably mirrors Xmarks functionality!

Thanks...
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☠ MASQ ☠Commented:
This has turned out to be a facinating read, so much so that it's likely I might jump providers from pinboard when my current subscription is up!

Which leads to another angle. - Is switching really going to be as straightforward as - sync with current provider to local browser and then sync to new provider?  Seems good in theory - and we'll get lots of feedback from XMarks users shortly.   Anyone moved between any other providers already?
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
and we'll get lots of feedback from XMarks users shortly
I'm hoping so, which is why I've shared this question on Social Media and I invite everyone else to do the same thing!

Anyone moved between any other providers already?
If you mean has anyone subscribed to another service, then I sure have.

What's funny is that I would have happily subscribed to LassPass (a password manager I've tried and didn't particularly like) if the benefit was that I could just keep using Xmarks, but their answer was no, so I voted with my wallet elsewhere. Bookmax scored a years sub from me instead and their sub was more expensive than a LassPass sub because the cost was in British Pounds rather than USD.

Even if LassPass reversed themselves now, I doubt I'd change my mind. They've shown their true colors so far as I'm concerned, willing to drop their subscribers like a hot potato just because they decided they didn't want to play anymore.

They basically said "No, not even if you pay for a subscription and we know of no other alternatives we could recommend for you" I didn't specify an amount either, I just said I'd be willing to maintain a premium subscription to LassPass if the Xmarks server was kept active.

This dumb decision on the part of LassPass *will* hurt them to some extent I'm sure. If nowhere else, I'm certainly going to make their 'screw you' attitude to their subscribers a prominent feature of the article on Bookmarks Managers that I'm planning to write soon!

One did, after all, have to subscribe to LassPass in order to be able to use Xmarks's premium features. All those poor suckers who paid for LassPass so they could enjoy the premium features of Xmarks are now left with egg on their faces.

NOT COOL LASSPASS!

Not cool at all!
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John ThompsonCommented:
They basically said "No, not even if you pay for a subscription and we know of no other alternatives we could recommend for you" I didn't specify an amount either, I just said I'd be willing to maintain a premium subscription to LassPass if the Xmarks server was kept active.

This dumb decision on the part of LassPass *will* hurt them to some extent I'm sure. If nowhere else, I'm certainly going to make their 'screw you' attitude to their subscribers a prominent feature of the article on Bookmarks Managers that I'm planning to write soon!

One did, after all, have to subscribe to LassPass in order to be able to use Xmarks's premium features. All those poor suckers who paid for LassPass so they could enjoy the premium features of Xmarks are now left with egg on their faces.


I did some looking after you posted this thread and i replied. I have more of an idea what happened here.

I originally used Xmarks. but it was when i was using Firefox and it was called FoxMarks. At some point they branched and they became Xmarks. back in 2010 they announced they were going to shutter Xmarks. about the same time that LastPass bought them. I guess they were planning on integrating the two maybe?. But the next year the president said he was so overwhelmed by the people's response about their disapointment that they changed their minds (i mentioned them announcing closing earlier).

Then in 2015 LogMeIn bought Xmarks and LastPass. (i didn't know when that happened)

I had been using LastPass since 2009 (they started before that but I dont know when).

So for me, After 9 years, I'm losing my bookmark's system. This may sound like no big deal, but i greatly dislike these bookmark managers I keep seeing, including RoboForms. none of them utilize and integrate with Chroms/Firefox's native bookmarks the same way and the last thing i want is yet another toolbar.

I stopped using Roboform about 3 years after getting going with LastPass. Yep, used both at the same time for several years because I hate change and for some things I really liked RoboForm.

Anyway, they aren't going to care a lick about us being mad, or us leaving. They can't be too upset about it or they wouldn't have done it. My guess is, with Chrome and Firefox sync they lose a ton of premium users. For me I need to be able to go through my archives. Heck sometimes I just want to find a bookmark I had from several years ago. I would sync my current bookmarks, and disable syncing. then look through my history and either grab that one bookmark, or even restore all of them. Then when done just sync

There were a lot of things I liked.

My problem is, as an owner of a company that builds, deploys and maintains many of the items on AWS (ELBs, CDN, Glacier etc) and we also have many clients that either have on site datacenters, or co-located hardware, passwords are something I have a million of.

I didnt stop using RoboForm because  i disliked it, although back when  i left They didn't even have a real integrated toolbar so it sat at the bottom, outside the browser. But i do remember they changed that a long time ago.

I stopped using RoboForm because I was using xmarks, I tried the bookmarks from RoboForm but didn't like them at all. Since i was using Xmarks and Lastpass anyway, I just dropped roboform.

I installed RoboForm again maybe 7 or 8 months ago in an idea of going back, but had gotten so familiar with LastPass I gave up quickly after.

Since LogMeIn clearly doesn't care about its customer base enough to manage xmarks, i don't trust them with something as integral to my business as LastPass, and I'm going back to RoboForm for that part. But will still need a bookmarks manager. I think I'll probably have to just use Google Sync though, i'm not interested in these other interfaces.

I contacted LogMeIn about possibly acquiring Xmarks. Even though 3 weeks is hardly enough to take something  like that over, I figured we could possible pick it back up later and see if anyone still wants it. The problem is all of the partners in my company use RoboForm and have never used either LastPass or Xmarks, so getting them excited about it wasn't happening.

LogMeIn told me they were closing without question on May 1, and gave a cold, one liner for possibly transferring ownership, even though i left the door wide open for paying. I mean WIDE open. i figured they'd tell me some ungodly number, but they weren't at all interested.

They said 'It's open source' and that's about it. Since that's the case, if I could somehow get my partners interested i could get them to take it over with me. unfortunately I've moved out of the technical side to handle enterprise project management and other tasks, so I can't just jump in and do it.

Sad Day. maybe they don't want anyone having the technology. who knows? and they might be planning on launching something else
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John ThompsonCommented:
@☠ MASQ ☠
This has turned out to be a facinating read, so much so that it's likely I might jump providers from pinboard when my current subscription is up!

Which leads to another angle. - Is switching really going to be as straightforward as - sync with current provider to local browser and then sync to new provider?  Seems good in theory - and we'll get lots of feedback from XMarks users shortly.   Anyone moved between any other providers already?

if you're talking about transferring from xmarks to something either it will be very simple. Every one i tested (I tried all that @Andrew Leniart  listed (still very grateful for that work) it's easy.

Since Xmarks manages your bookmarks archives in the cloud, but they sync to your default bookmarks folders, just make sure your bookmarks are up to date, and install the new option. it will either import your current bookmarks by default, or it will ask if you want to.

That's all there is to it!
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Hi John,

Thanks again for your further input and explanation. To your comments though...

Then in 2015 LogMeIn bought Xmarks and LastPass. (i didn't know when that happened)
For years I used the LogMeIn Rescue product (an expensive remote connect solution, but to me, I enjoyed the interface so I kept pay the grand a year or whatever it was to continue using it). I then dropped that solution because they couldn't implement a feature I'd been requesting for 2 or 3 years. Now I'm using TeamViewer to help my clients out remotely, at about half the price of Rescue!

Anyway, they aren't going to care a lick about us being mad, or us leaving.
Perhaps not from losing a few current subscriptions, but if they don't care about people potentially not even considering their product(s) because of reports about the way they treat their customers/subscribers, then I seriously question their business sense. I've been running my own computer help company for years and the vast majority of my client base (~95%) came from word of mouth and as a result, I have more clients than I can sometimes handle - I've never bothered to launch any advertising campaigns. Never needed to.

Word of mouth can be a powerful marketing tool, but it can cut both ways and negative word of mouth can cause you a huge loss of a potential increase in a client base too and that's what I'm talking about when I say dropping clients like hot potatoes will surely hurt them from a business perspective! A few dissatisfied clients dropping their subscriptions is neither here nor there, it's what those ex-clients will say to on blogs, to friends, in articles that will do the damage imo.

Since LogMeIn clearly doesn't care about its customer base enough to manage xmarks, i don't trust them with something as integral to my business as LastPass
Bingo! And if asked (or have the opportunity) to give your opinion about LogMeIn as a company that cares about its clients, what are you likely to say now, as opposed to what you may have said before?

See what I mean?

We're just two people in a small thread at the moment, (for now) but I'm tipping we're not the only ones that feel like we've been summarily dismissed without so much as an explanation as to why, or given a decent opportunity to find a replacement. I mean, two months notice? Come on! 12 month might have been a little more reasonable.

I contacted LogMeIn about possibly acquiring Xmarks. Even though 3 weeks is hardly enough to take something  like that over, I figured we could possible pick it back up later and see if anyone still wants it.
I'm curious... did you ever get a reply from them? If so, are you able to reveal what the guts of that reply was?

LogMeIn told me they were closing without question on May 1, and gave a cold, one liner for possibly transferring ownership, even though i left the door wide open for paying. I mean WIDE open. i figured they'd tell me some ungodly number, but they weren't at all interested.
That's very interesting information. Expect me to contact you privately to seek permission to quote you on that in the article I plan to write. This whole sage may just be worthy of an article of its own yet. I'll need to think about that possibility. Yes, it's got up my goat *that* much!

Sad Day. maybe they don't want anyone having the technology. who knows? and they might be planning on launching something else
And there's the rub isn't it? No explanation, no notice, just no longer available in a couple months time and to hell with all of you that might have subscribed to LassPass just to use Xmarks premium features. I said it before and I'll say it again... NOT COOL!

Regards, Andrew
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John ThompsonCommented:
Andrew,

Send me a PM and I'll go over what was said
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Andrew,
Send me a PM and I'll go over what was said
Done!
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Mark TalinnCommented:
Hi Andrew,

Why even bother wtih bookmark syncing? Sites like https://start.me enable you to access your bookmarks from any device/location/browser without the need to sync bookmarks.

Mark Talinn
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Hi Mark,
Why even bother wtih bookmark syncing?

Well, one reason is because that's the way I like to work, as do a lot of my professional clients.

Sites like https://start.me enable you to access your bookmarks from any device/location/browser without the need to sync bookmarks.

Sure, but why bother with advertising-driven revenue sites like "start.me" and put up with all the adds? Addblock Plus reported 3 blocked adds immediately upon visiting the site, which grew in number the longer I stayed on it.

A forced Bing search engine, have to depend on the "start.me" site being up and as responsive as you need it to be etc, when you can just build your own page on your own server, (I have multiple domains) without adds and achieve the exact same result just as easily?

Or use something as excellent as Bookmax? Achieves the same thing, is free, no forced search engine and again - zero adds.

So another way to answer your question...

"Why even bother wtih bookmark syncing?"

... is "Different strokes, for different folks" :)

Cheers...

Andrew
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John ThompsonCommented:
Why even bother with bookmark syncing?

I follow Andrew here. i don't want another interface, or layout, i want the bookmarks to work the way they do in the browser natively. That's one of the top 2 reasons I liked Xmarks.

Beyond that, I may just be too set in my ways, and i hate change. as a dev i know better but it doesn't change me from exhausting far too many resources trying to avoid it.


@Andrew, I meant to reply to your PM, but was offline for a couple days. i'll respond tonight.
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Janet MCommented:
@Andrew Leniart  - Many thanks for delving into finding a solution!!

I have been using xmarks for over 10 years and extol it's convenience with teams that are testing and verifying issues across browsers. It is one of the first add-on's I saw as totally worth paying for and I am so bummed they are cancelling it!!  I'll keep checking back and see if anyone surfaces anything thats an decent replacement.
Thanks again!
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
You're very welcome Janet and thank you for weighing in with your thoughts and experiences. Please share this thread around as much as you can, the more input we can get, the higher the chance that a developer who can take on the challenge will notice and possibly restore one of our favorite little utilities - Xmarks :)

Regards, Andrew
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Bill PrewCommented:
Andrew,

Did you look at booky.io, if so what did you think?

Pros and cons to bookmax?

~bp
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Hi Bill,

Did you look at booky.io, if so what did you think?
Not as yet, but it's on my "to-do" list. Once I'd gotten myself sorted with bookmax, I kind of got sidetracked into other things. Will definitely check it out properly though and report back here on my own personal feelings about it.

Thanks for sharing!

Regards, Andrew
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
@Bill Prew

Just further to my last, I've just watched the excellent video tutorial at booky.io and am suitably impressed. Quite a powerful little addon that does quite a bit more than bookmax does. That can be a positive "and" a negative though, so will definitely be checking it out for myself very soon.
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Bill PrewCommented:
Honestly, I'm not in love with any of the cloud / web based solutions I have seen.  The UI's are a bit too "simple" for me.  I want to be able to organize bookmarks into folders, with sub folders.  I also want to be able to see both the URL as well as the page title in the UI, and also the dates created and accessed.  Good searching is also key and a UI that gives me more of a "data presentation" than a "tiles" or "open spaces" approach.  I need it to be functional, not pretty.

I really have two use modes, and I'm beginning to think I may want two solutions for them.  One is long term bookmark organization and storage.  In this mode I want a truly robust UI on Windows native software, drag and drop, resorting, dupe checking, real-time validity checking of URLs (weed out discontinued sites, identify changed / redirected ones), keywords, descriptions, etc.  I typically have 1000 to 1500 of these.

My other use mode is in browser bookmarks, preferably in the native browser metaphor.  This should sync across Windows and Apple mobile devices, as well as cross browser.  Realistically I really only need the frequent use ones here, maybe 100 or so.  This to save time remembering frequently used sites, not trying to dig up a boutique article or site I found 3 years ago and said "that might be good to save for future reference", that is solved via use case 1 above.

I get this isn't how everyone approaches it, but it's a brief summary of my perspective.  And to be honest, XMarks wasn't the full robust solution for this.  I was much stronger on use case 2 than use case 1.  But it came for free sort of for free when I decided to use Lastpass for password management (family license) so I used it.

I haven't found a solution that solved all of the above well, so I'm probably looking at two.  Right now I use Linkman Pro on Windows (have for many years) for use case 1 and may stick with that.  In can import and export to browsers, and has robust organization tools for a bookmark database.

For use case 2 I haven't found much I like there yet, that bridges mobile and "desktop" as well as the few major browsers I bounce around to (Chrome, Edge, IE, Firefox, Safari).  At this point I *may* revisit iCloud Bookmarks for use case 2, I think it can keep my "short list" in sync between Windows and Apple mobile platforms, and supports Chrome, IE and Safari I think.  I add new bookmarks at a fairly low frequency, but when I do I would like it to propagate around to my used locations.

Just adding these thoughts to the discussion to compare with other folks, know it's not a solution in itself (I don't think a single solution exists for what I , and some other people, actually want).  And maybe someone else reading this knows of something that's closer than I realize...


»bp
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
Thinking semi-laterally, I think a program like Microsoft's OneNote could act as an efficient local Bookmarking program.
It would take a lot more work compared to an off-the-shelf program/service
but the end result could be far superior.

OneNote five 'Dimension' Hierarchical Data Structure
Notebooks
      Sections Groups
             Sections
                       Pages
                             Sub-Pages

As well as inserting a Bookmark on a Page, you can Save the actual Webpage and add your own notes.
You can insert a table on a page for further organisation.

Search youtube for demo videos of this powerful, but much neglected program.
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John ThompsonCommented:
I am trying bookmax, unless I'm mistaken there is no way to import any bookmarks? I have to be missing something. I have over 300 bookmarks stored.

I paid for a Premium account but don't see an import.

Andrew did you settle on this as your final?

I also see you looked at booky.io and were impressed? I tried that one, went to the import and tried to import the xmarks bookmark download i just obtained, and it never finishes. the progress bar goes to 50% immediately, but never moves again.

it ends with an animated icon saying 'importing' but then it just disappears, leaving no bookmarks

see attached
booky.png
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EirmanChief Operations ManagerCommented:
TOOLS MENU
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John ThompsonCommented:
Thanks Eirman,

That option wasn't showing available when i posted, but it's there now and I was able to import.

This looks like it will work, i'll keep working with this.

Thank you!
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Andrew did you settle on this as your final?

I did indeed John and so far it's been working quite well for me. I too purchased a year's sub and see that Eirman has already got you sorted with regards to the importing. Quite a neat little solution, but I *still* would have preferred Xmarks! :)
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Bill PrewCommented:
And just for future reference, here is a discussion over on the LastPass forum...



»bp
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Andrew LeniartSenior EditorAuthor Commented:
Thanks for the link Bill. Nice one. A sample post from like-minded users here;

I'm so upset about the email I got on this today. I mean... it has literally crushed my day. I am a software architect / technical manager and I use five different browsers every single day. Manually syncing is going to be so painful and take a crap-ton of my time as I add and remove test sites and stuff all the time. This is terrible new. I agree with the previous poster that said, just make it open source or sell it. I mean you guys just bought it! Come on. ~ A Sad Panda

Edit: Heh.. just had to include the following comment :-)

Well it's goodbye to Lastpass from me. Can't justify renewing my subscription now. Poor decision by them.
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Chris PalermoCommented:
So - this is an amazingly informative thread. I've spent the past two months trying to find an alternative to XMarks. Although, technically speaking, I don't *need* an alternative.

I began using XMarks when it was FoxMarks - mainly to sync between my home and work computers.

When XMarks died - I began using Syncmarx (which is in beta) - but (1) there were issues with the timing; so older bookmark sets would overwrite newer ones; and then (2) it began to crash my browser.

I then moved to Eversync - and the same thing would happen -- Firefox would just crash every time.

Here's the ironic thing: I don't actually NEED to sync bookmarks.

I only do it because Chrome is my browser of choice; but the bookmark manager in Chrome is god-awful; compared to the extremely robust manager in Firefox. So, what I've been doing is adding bookmarks to a general "SORT" folder in Chrome; then syncing to Firefox. Using FF to manage/organize the bookmarks; and then sync back to Chrome.

If I could actually find a bookmark manager that worked *in* Chrome that offered the features I like in FF (namely: Two pane organization; an ability to drag-and-drop; an ability to sort by URL), I wouldn't even need to sync back-and-forth :(
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